Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:03:58 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:02:24 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:01:15 PMvirtue of being the constitutionWhich the amendment process shows to be self-evidently false. The fact that you'd place such stock in a document, regardless of what it says, says a lot about you. I wouldn't want you to be a citizen of an Orwellian State.Well when you give a loaded question, I can only pick one of two I believeHow on earth was it a loaded question? It was really quite simple. A constitution can only be valid in one of two ways. The first being by its own virtue; it being axiomatic. The second is that is codifies the correct content.Because both are correct. It's correct by virtue and content
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:03:58 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:02:24 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:01:15 PMvirtue of being the constitutionWhich the amendment process shows to be self-evidently false. The fact that you'd place such stock in a document, regardless of what it says, says a lot about you. I wouldn't want you to be a citizen of an Orwellian State.Well when you give a loaded question, I can only pick one of two I believeHow on earth was it a loaded question? It was really quite simple. A constitution can only be valid in one of two ways. The first being by its own virtue; it being axiomatic. The second is that is codifies the correct content.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:02:24 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:01:15 PMvirtue of being the constitutionWhich the amendment process shows to be self-evidently false. The fact that you'd place such stock in a document, regardless of what it says, says a lot about you. I wouldn't want you to be a citizen of an Orwellian State.Well when you give a loaded question, I can only pick one of two I believe
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:01:15 PMvirtue of being the constitutionWhich the amendment process shows to be self-evidently false. The fact that you'd place such stock in a document, regardless of what it says, says a lot about you. I wouldn't want you to be a citizen of an Orwellian State.
virtue of being the constitution
Because both are correct. It's correct by virtue and content
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:10:59 PMBecause both are correct. It's correct by virtue and contentThe two can't both be correct. It's either by virtue or by content. A constitution which endows government oppression, racism and whatever else cannot be right by virtue but not content.
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:20:46 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:12:57 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:10:59 PMBecause both are correct. It's correct by virtue and contentThe two can't both be correct. It's either by virtue or by content. A constitution which endows government oppression, racism and whatever else cannot be right by virtue but not content.Except the U.S Constitution doesn't endow those thingsIt's like you're trying to miss the point.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:12:57 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:10:59 PMBecause both are correct. It's correct by virtue and contentThe two can't both be correct. It's either by virtue or by content. A constitution which endows government oppression, racism and whatever else cannot be right by virtue but not content.Except the U.S Constitution doesn't endow those things
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:22:26 PMNo, because the thing being talked about is the U.S Constitutionnigga you've got some serious Orwellian shit going on in your head.
No, because the thing being talked about is the U.S Constitution
Meta used the term virtuevir·tueˈvərCHo͞o/Submitnoun1.behavior showing high moral standards."paragons of virtue"synonyms: goodness, virtuousness, righteousness, morality, integrity, dignity, rectitude, honor, decency, respectability, nobility, worthiness, purity; More
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:25:59 PMMeta used the term virtuevir·tueˈvərCHo͞o/Submitnoun1.behavior showing high moral standards."paragons of virtue"synonyms: goodness, virtuousness, righteousness, morality, integrity, dignity, rectitude, honor, decency, respectability, nobility, worthiness, purity; MoreI didn't call the U.S. Constitution virtuous by any measure of language, though. "By virtue of being" assumes the thing in itself has virtue, not that the contents of the thing has virtue. Saying torture is moral by virtue of being torture isn't a comment on its effectiveness; it's saying torture is moral simply because it is.
But the U.S Constitution is of high moral standards because of it's contents. Again, the Constitution is right by virtue and content
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:33:56 PMBut the U.S Constitution is of high moral standards because of it's contents. Again, the Constitution is right by virtue and contentAre you purposely being denser than a neutron star at the moment, or do you really not realise the blatant stupidity of what you're saying?
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:33:56 PMBut the U.S Constitution is of high moral standards because of it's contents. Again, the Constitution is right by virtue and contentAre you purposely being denser than a neutron star at the moment, or do you really not realise the blatant stupidity of what you're saying?Nah, you're being denser than a black hole
Quote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:55:44 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 06, 2014, 04:33:56 PMBut the U.S Constitution is of high moral standards because of it's contents. Again, the Constitution is right by virtue and contentAre you purposely being denser than a neutron star at the moment, or do you really not realise the blatant stupidity of what you're saying?Nah, you're being denser than a black holeYou don't seem to be understanding what "by virtue" means. It doesn't mean that the constitution in question is of moral composure, it simply assumes that the constitution is morally correct in itself. So, let me phrase it a different way. Is a constitution respectable precisely because it is a constitution, or because this constitution enshrines moral content?
enshrines moral content
Do you care about beliefs of actors/musicians/etc that you like?
