Never in my years have I seen such widespread disrespect for the President. Am I Obama's biggest fan? No way. Yeah, people didn't like Bush II, but you didn't see congressmen calling him "liar" in the middle of his speeches. You didn't see people interrupting his time at the rose garden. You didn't see widespread campaigns about how he isn't an American.

The only significant difference about Obama is that he isn't 100% white. I'm not saying it is racism...but it's hard to justify that it isn't racism at all.

He didn't get a shoe thrown at him like Bush did.

He didn't get a shoe thrown at him like Bush did.

Well that wasn't in the US. I'm talking about how he's treated by our own people.

Could it just be people don't like his character and leadership and it has literally nothing to do with his skin color? Hmmm I wonder

You havent? Just look at 2007.

Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.

Stop your white guilt.

You havent? Just look at 2007.

Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.

Stop your white guilt.

I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: PSU on June 29, 2015, 03:32:37 PM

You havent? Just look at 2007.

Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.

Stop your white guilt.

I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.

I'm confused by how you're quantifying this. Bush is the most polarizing president in recent history and was shit on daily by the media and the public. Obama gets his fair share, but I think you're falling victim to self-serving bias.

I'm not talking about the media and the public, I'm talking about other elected representatives and officials. How often was Bush interrupted by yells from congressmen? How often did democrats openly say they were there not to legislate, but to make Bush a one-term president?

Was there disrespect toward Bush? Yes. But nothing so blatant.

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 04:31:53 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on June 29, 2015, 04:16:04 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: PSU on June 29, 2015, 03:32:37 PM

You havent? Just look at 2007.

Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.

Stop your white guilt.

I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.

I'm confused by how you're quantifying this. Bush is the most polarizing president in recent history and was shit on daily by the media and the public. Obama gets his fair share, but I think you're falling victim to self-serving bias.

I'm not talking about the media and the public, I'm talking about other elected representatives and officials. How often was Bush interrupted by yells from congressmen? How often did democrats openly say they were there not to legislate, but to make Bush a one-term president?

Was there disrespect toward Bush? Yes. But nothing so blatant.

Is it a competition? Bush got booed by democrats during a state of the union address, so if we're talking participants in an act of verbal disrespect on the floor of the House of Representatives, then his tally is higher.

I can't say I recall the booing. Which one was this?

It's not a competition, but my point is that there's a measurable difference between the way Obama has been treated in comparison to his predecessors.

I'm really tired of people on the left crying racism and sexism at everything.

2015 is a different era than the 00's. People don't hold the presidency in as much awe regardless of who is in it. The idea that republicans are being shitheads because of his skin color, rather than the fact that they are financially incentivized to be shit heads, is beyond stupid.

Obama has not received as much hate as Bush 2 towards the end of his presidency either. There was not a comedy show on television, or stand up act around the world, that wasn't tearing him apart. Using your logic that must be cuz Bush was white. Not because people just disagreed with him.

>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms

Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.

Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.

I'm really tired of people on the left crying racism and sexism at everything.

2015 is a different era than the 00's. People don't hold the presidency in as much awe regardless of who is in it. The idea that republicans are being shitheads because of his skin color, rather than the fact that they are financially incentivized to be shit heads, is beyond stupid.

Obama has not received as much hate as Bush 2 towards the end of his presidency either. There was not a comedy show on television, or stand up act around the world, that wasn't tearing him apart. Using your logic that must be cuz Bush was white. Not because people just disagreed with him.

I think you've ignored every post I've made in this thread. I'm talking about Cogressmen and the like. Yeah, the media tore Bush apart, but I'm not talking about that.

>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms

Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.

Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.

If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 07:07:54 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on June 29, 2015, 06:08:28 PM

>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms

Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.

Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.

If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?

Because he's the Commander-in-chief of a nation that embraces freedom of expression. There will always be people that are going to subject him to a deluge of vitriol regardless of what he does. It's a facet of the job that he knew full and well what it entailed, otherwise he wouldn't have ran for it.

Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 07:13:13 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on June 29, 2015, 07:11:08 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 29, 2015, 07:07:54 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on June 29, 2015, 06:08:28 PM

>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms

Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.

Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.

If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?

Because he's the Commander-in-chief of a nation that embraces freedom of expression. There will always be people that are going to subject him to a deluge of vitriol regardless of what he does. It's a facet of the job that he knew full and well what it entailed, otherwise he wouldn't have ran for it.

Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution

Personally I like to dissociate myself from identity politics.

Good for you. Doesn't change the fact that this is the kind of shit that happens in our country.