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If America lost the Revolution?



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Plenty of people would be executed, more British troops would arrive, and everything would be highly restricted. This will only lead to more amger towards the British, causing a movement similar to a mixture of the muhajideen from tne 80's, French Revolution, and rebellion in colonial Spanish holdings. Europe powers gostile against the British wouldbsupply an aid future American rebels and these Europeans will attack Britain


 
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Plenty of people would be executed, more British troops would arrive, and everything would be highly restricted. This will only lead to more amger towards the British, causing a movement similar to a mixture of the muhajideen from tne 80's, French Revolution, and rebellion in colonial Spanish holdings. Europe powers gostile against the British wouldbsupply an aid future American rebels and these Europeans will attack Britain

You're retarded. The British Empire had two very easy methods of stopping the rebels in their tracks. 1) was to increase military presence and investiture (indeed the rebellion was only possible due to the change in geopolitical goals). 2) was to cut investiture into the India project and not cycle out the veteran regiments that would fight the campaign.


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NA would probably have more countries in it, The US wouldn't be called the US, whatever country that would have been the US would be part of the commonwealth, and monarchies would have ruled Europe for a lot longer.


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You're retarded. The British Empire had two very easy methods of stopping the rebels in their tracks. 1) was to increase military presence and investiture (indeed the rebellion was only possible due to the change in geopolitical goals). 2) was to cut investiture into the India project and not cycle out the veteran regiments that would fight the campaign.
If they were easy, then why didn't they stop the American Revolution? A major cause for the Revolution WAS the increase military presence right after the French and Indian War (7 Years War if you wanna call it to the conflicts outside of North America). An even bigger military presence would just even more people off and gain a bigger movement to revolt.

During the Revolution, France, Spain, the Dutch Republic, and the Vermont Republic fought alongside the colonies so even if they were facing defeat, these countries could have helped train and better equip the the rebels


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If they were easy, then why didn't they stop the American Revolution?

Because neither solution was implemented.

A major cause for the Revolution WAS the increase military presence right after the French and Indian War (7 Years War if you wanna call it to the conflicts outside of North America). An even bigger military presence would just even more people off and gain a bigger movement to revolt.

The reason for the dispute over military presence was a) religious zealots had enjoyed massive power in the colonies prior to the Seven years war and the presence of lawful British authorities such as the British army started to encroach on social arenas that up until that point they had enjoyed almost complete control over, and b) the previous lack of British military power in that region of the world had caused the British forces to become alienated from the people.

Though even with this pre-existing alienation between British forces and the American people the presence of common culture and language started to ease disputes in garrison cities.

During the Revolution, France, Spain, the Dutch Republic, and the Vermont Republic fought alongside the colonies so even if they were facing defeat, these countries could have helped train and better equip the the rebels

You do know that is precisely what happened right? Due to cycling out of veteran regiments and engagements at sea with the French navy the possibility of being able to keep running both the American and the Indian projects simultaneously dissapeared. The British establishment did what was practical and focused on the Indian theatre with the conflict with Mysore due to the disparity of profit.

The French saved the Americans from being reconquered at the price of their Royalty. Serves them right for dragging the war beyond 1776-1777 when we were negotiating ending the rebellion in return for entrance into the house of Commons and house of Lords in the Carlisle commission.
Last Edit: September 04, 2014, 12:39:01 PM by Trojanlord


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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Technology would be completely different.

Also people would probably be less stupid.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
I assume that if everything were kept stable (as in, remained under control of Britain), WW1 would be significantly shorter what with the British Empire being having larger production of armaments, and men. This could lead to the invention of the Tank never happening, or at least being delayed.


Germany might have been absorbed into the British Empire after WW1, leaving Russia out of this version of WW2 as Britain would have maintained the Tsar Monarchy (they aided them during the revolution in 1917/18, but ultimately failed due to lack of resources available. With this alternate timeline, resources aren't really a problem). Spain wouldn't have gone under control of Franco's fascism as his movement wouldn't have been supported by the Nazis, changing Spain as it came to be today seeing as Franco's regime finished by the 1980's I think. Israel wouldn't have been created because the Nazi's wouldn't have caused the Holocaust, and Palestine would still exist (though under British Rule).


Japan would still invade South East Asia however in the late 30's, leading Britain to declare war on them after an attack on Pearl Harbor (and the invasion of Hong Kong and Burma/Mayanmar and threatening India). Japan would ultimately lose and the war would be over, but again the war would be a shorter one (what with only one Axis power, Italy wouldn't stand against Britain in the first place). Perhaps the Nuclear bomb may not have been invented and produced as rapidly as it was, what with Japan being likely over-run and taken over.

At this point (late 1940's/1950's) Britain would be at it's peak. Allies with Tsar-ist Russia and a democratic Spain, France and Italy may feel threatened by Britain being practically a Mega-power, and we would have lost as a result:


-The Tank
-The Assault Rifle
-The Nuclear bomb
-Jet technology
-ICBM's
-The Moon Landing (and perhaps, the space race in general of the 50's/60's)
-The Jewish State of Israel
-The EU (as we know it. Might be Italy/France/Spain/Portugal)
-And probably a few other things.


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I re-iterate, this assumes complete stability. Many of the British Colonies could still have revolted at some point (e.g. The IRA in the 1920's, now add in the Bolsheviks, Spanish Fascists, various German groups such as Frei-Korps/KPD/SPD/Nazis, etc) and would change this outcome.





 
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I'm fairly certain that with England retaining control of the America's, France would focus more on them, so therefore no disastrous war in Russia to cripple Napoleon's armies as he would fight along Russia in 1807 now, and good ol' Nappy storms the British isles. That battle's outcome is completely unpredictable though.


 
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I assume that if everything were kept stable (as in, remained under control of Britain), WW1 would be significantly shorter what with the British Empire being having larger production of armaments, and men. This could lead to the invention of the Tank never happening, or at least being delayed.


Germany might have been absorbed into the British Empire after WW1, leaving Russia out of this version of WW2 as Britain would have maintained the Tsar Monarchy (they aided them during the revolution in 1917/18, but ultimately failed due to lack of resources available. With this alternate timeline, resources aren't really a problem). Spain wouldn't have gone under control of Franco's fascism as his movement wouldn't have been supported by the Nazis, changing Spain as it came to be today seeing as Franco's regime finished by the 1980's I think. Israel wouldn't have been created because the Nazi's wouldn't have caused the Holocaust, and Palestine would still exist (though under British Rule).


Japan would still invade South East Asia however in the late 30's, leading Britain to declare war on them after an attack on Pearl Harbor (and the invasion of Hong Kong and Burma/Mayanmar and threatening India). Japan would ultimately lose and the war would be over, but again the war would be a shorter one (what with only one Axis power, Italy wouldn't stand against Britain in the first place). Perhaps the Nuclear bomb may not have been invented and produced as rapidly as it was, what with Japan being likely over-run and taken over.

At this point (late 1940's/1950's) Britain would be at it's peak. Allies with Tsar-ist Russia and a democratic Spain, France and Italy may feel threatened by Britain being practically a Mega-power, and we would have lost as a result:


-The Tank
-The Assault Rifle
-The Nuclear bomb
-Jet technology
-ICBM's
-The Moon Landing (and perhaps, the space race in general of the 50's/60's)
-The Jewish State of Israel
-The EU (as we know it. Might be Italy/France/Spain/Portugal)
-And probably a few other things.


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I re-iterate, this assumes complete stability. Many of the British Colonies could still have revolted at some point (e.g. The IRA in the 1920's, now add in the Bolsheviks, Spanish Fascists, various German groups such as Frei-Korps/KPD/SPD/Nazis, etc) and would change this outcome.

You're complete forgetting the fact that France, Russia, and Mexico all had territory in what is today the United States. The US purchased France and Russia's land and won Mexico's land from the Mexican-American war.
Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 12:03:09 AM by Lord Commissar


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.

You're complete forgetting the fact that France, Russia, and Mexico all had territory in what is today the United States. The US purchased France and Russia's land and won Mexico's land from the Mexican-American war.


I never said I was educated in American history pre 1940's...


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I don't think that having the Great Britain as an world empire would be an utopia. Or any of the other European empires still dry humping the Americas.


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