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Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 01, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

the idea that teachers are there to provide an environment in which children can learn and flourish, instead of being just dictated to.

Localizing schooling creates an environment where kids aren't forced to learn? And that makes sense to you?

What?

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 01, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

The education system needs to be localised again

Jesus christ no

There are a lot of things that should be left to local governments, or no government at all.

But education is not one of them.

The fuck is the matter with you?

Some bureaucrat in Westminster doesn't know what's best for my education. He especially doesn't know better than my actual fucking school.

I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, if you leave education solely to local governments, you will have pseudoscience out the ass.

Which is why I, at least in principle, support Common Core.

Nobody's arguing for a lack of standardised tests or a national curriculum. However, you're missing the point. The point is not, necessarily, what we teach but how we teach and which methods are best at facilitating an environment which encourages things we invariably want to encourage. The point is not to throw it back to the schools and say "you deal with it", but to fundamentally alter the structure of education and how we think about learning so we are capable of throwing it to the schools with the expectation of broadly good outcomes.

You continue to say that government regulation is changing how the school functions.

To deny this is nothing more than bare-faced idiocy. Besides government, however, the idea needs to be enshrined culturally. In this sense, it has been more successful in the likes of Scandinavian nations - like Finland - where teaching is actually seen as a profession of repute and educational responsibility is devolved to the lowest possible level.

In the U.K., at least, the national curriculum is ludicrously long (I think it was Nick Clegg who noted this like 4 years ago in the 2010 debates) and the culture of standardised testing is pervasive to the point where 10 and 11-year-olds are given them and judged on their aptitude to succeed on them. The idea is not one of getting the government out of education - not in the slightest - the idea is to realise which system best produces educated people and how we should arrive at that. I'm not going to be able to point you to an Act of Parliament which dictates that teachers must be mechanical and uninteresting, because that would be nothing more than facile.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 01, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

The education system needs to be localised again

Jesus christ no

There are a lot of things that should be left to local governments, or no government at all.

But education is not one of them.

Exactly why not?

How would you feel if Europe started to tell you what to do? You'd be pissed. Local and, at times state, government knows where their children stand at education. Allowing locals to design an educational plan based on the needs of children will be far better than a flat, cookie-cutter regulation ALL schools have to follow

Centralizing government causes schools that are already ahead of everybody else to step back and lower standards, something that goes against the idea of education

Quote from: Kinder on November 01, 2014, 09:29:21 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 01, 2014, 07:09:50 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 01, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

The education system needs to be localised again

Jesus christ no

There are a lot of things that should be left to local governments, or no government at all.

But education is not one of them.

Exactly why not?

How would you feel if Europe started to tell you what to do? You'd be pissed. Local and, at times state, government knows where their children stand at education. Allowing locals to design an educational plan based on the needs of children will be far better than a flat, cookie-cutter regulation ALL schools have to follow

Centralizing government causes schools that are already ahead of everybody else to step back and lower standards, something that goes against the idea of education

Kinder, just shut the fuck up. We all know why you want education decentralized.

Lol, stay mad for being proved wrong

Quote from: Kinder on November 01, 2014, 09:37:01 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 01, 2014, 09:35:38 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 01, 2014, 09:29:21 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 01, 2014, 07:09:50 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 01, 2014, 06:32:09 PM

The education system needs to be localised again

Jesus christ no

There are a lot of things that should be left to local governments, or no government at all.

But education is not one of them.

Exactly why not?

How would you feel if Europe started to tell you what to do? You'd be pissed. Local and, at times state, government knows where their children stand at education. Allowing locals to design an educational plan based on the needs of children will be far better than a flat, cookie-cutter regulation ALL schools have to follow

Centralizing government causes schools that are already ahead of everybody else to step back and lower standards, something that goes against the idea of education

Kinder, just shut the fuck up. We all know why you want education decentralized.

Lol, stay mad for being proved wrong

>implying anybody doubts that animals grow winter coats, showing evolution working
>implying the pope hasn't come out in support of evolution

Stay brainwashed