How is the US so effective at assimilating immigrants?

 
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So due to the recent tragic event, it raised the concerns and questions of Europe's increasing glaring issue at the failure to assimilate its immigrants into their culture/ways of thinking. If you're for or against that, I dunno, but that's beside the point.

My point is, how is the US so effective at it. The Muslim population (and others in general) in the US has been shown time and time again to be culturally assimilated into the US lifestyle, and way of thinking. Why is that? What is the driving factor that does such a thing? Is it the American Dream? Many immigrants still clearly believe in that, though the domestic population would probably argue otherwise at this point.

Anyone have any accurate guesses or knowledge they'd like to share? I just find it really interesting is all, so if I made a mistake, apologies.


 
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I'd say a good chunck, not all but a good chunk, of immigrants see the "American Dream" still.
And some actually succeed in it, which is what brings more over.

However one thing that is shown time and time again is that to get to the American Dream, you have to work hard and work smart. Most immigrants will work and act just like the working class here within their first few months in the country.

There is no sources backing this by the way, just how I view it.


 
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I read an interesting article. Here's an excerpt.
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Compared with Europe, the U.S. attracts more immigrants who share the dominant faith. (Imagine if Mexicans built mosques.) An economy that, until recently, had lots of entry-level jobs has made it easier for immigrants to find work. American schools generally provide students second chances, while Europeans are more likely to leave stragglers on vocational tracks. The U.S. also had Martin Luther King Jr.—the civil-rights movement, cresting just before the current mass migration started, bequeathed a robust apparatus for promoting opportunity. And American culture sells, in all its tawdriness and splendor. In Europe, the children of immigrants sometimes cling to the Old Country more than their parents do: sons import brides. In the U.S., the bigger danger is assimilating too fast: children get fat eating french fries and watching TV.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/assimilation-nation/309518/


 
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Oh and by the way, immigrants can get benefits galore here.

http://www.welcometousa.gov/government_benefits/


 
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Nationalism maybe? One thing I've noticed about immigrants in the US is that can get behind the cause of America. You get people of all different colours and backgrounds representing and supporting one country and one flag, I don't sense that in European countries.

One flag to rule them all.


 
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Oh and by the way, immigrants can get benefits galore here.

http://www.welcometousa.gov/government_benefits/
They get welfare like crazy in Europe.

They can get chances at FREE, FULLY COVERED HOMES here.


 
 
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Nationalism maybe? One thing I've noticed about immigrants in the US is that can get behind the cause of America. You get people of all different colours and backgrounds representing and supporting one country and one flag, I don't sense that in European countries.

One flag to rule them all.
I think it's because the US is made up of a shit ton of diverse people too from all sorts of countries. That might help it, along with America having this connotation of a better opportunity if you come over. If you read about the history of the US in the early 1900's, it really starts to sprout up and you see the American Dream thing being formed.

And if you're coming in from the Atlantic, seeing the Statue of Liberty as you come in by boat is a huge message of the whole freedom and opportunity message too if you ask me.


 
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It's at least partly to do with U.S. culture. Europeans are nice to immigrants in a condescending way; most of us, especially the political establishment and the media, see them fundamentally different and--basically--victims who need help.

You can be an American no matter your motherland or race. America has never been a particularly homogenous nation.


 
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It's at least partly to do with U.S. culture. Europeans are nice to immigrants in a condescending way; most of us, especially the political establishment and the media, see them fundamentally different and--basically--victims who need help.

You can be an American no matter your motherland or race. America has never been a particularly homogenous nation.
That's a pretty good point.


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Also, you should all reconsider the Rome comparisons I've made in the past.

Pax Americana, baby.
America is the new Rome is my meme thank you very much.

But yeah, there have been a handful of Pax *insert here*. Pax Britannia, Pax Mongolica, Pax Europaea. It's more of a general and loose term at this point. I'd have said Pax American was more a thing after the Cold War ended, and up until 9/11.


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We get immigrants, not "refugees".


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More effective screening processes, strong sense of national identity, and less incentives to depend upon welfare.

Also the fact that America does not share a continental route directly with the Middle East helps too.


 
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We get immigrants, not "refugees".
This has been an issue in Europe for a while, not just this sudden refugee surge.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
I wouldn't say much better.

You have the occasional riots and targetted looting which led to armed shop owners defending themselves in Koreatown, LA, in the 90's.

It just depends which group is being assimilated. Carribeans, Indians,  (basically any nationality from the commonwealth) have been in the UK since the 40's and 50's, it's largely the newcomers causing the problems.

I guess assimilation is easier if your culture was previously invaded by your new host, but eh.


 
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I don't think riots = inability to assimilate, and I'm not sure what you mean by previously invaded. You mean the Native Americans being killed?


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Also, you should all reconsider the Rome comparisons I've made in the past.

Pax Americana, baby.
America is the new Rome is my meme thank you very much.

But yeah, there have been a handful of Pax *insert here*. Pax Britannia, Pax Mongolica, Pax Europaea. It's more of a general and loose term at this point. I'd have said Pax American was more a thing after the Cold War ended, and up until 9/11.
I would say right now that we're struggling to maintain it, and the question of the day is whether our hegemony will be reaffirmed, or slip away.
Sorry, completely missed this comment.

Yeah, I think with all the hot spots sprouting up, and us failing horribly in Iraq, it's left us really hesitant to go into another war for fear we'll be there forever.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
I don't think riots = inability to assimilate, and I'm not sure what you mean by previously invaded. You mean the Native Americans being killed?

Nah, I mean the British Empire owning half the world at one point.

Now the national dish of fish and chips is shared with Indian curry, and the pass times of the UK are shared with India, Pakistan, NZ, Australia, and a few pacific islands.

I'm saying it's easier to assimilate when there's common ground. In the UK's sense, that common ground was created by invading and their own culture leaking in to the source of the foreign countries which then had immigrants move to the UK several hundred years later.


 
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Because immigrants get stuff handed to them for free