Also, don't forget you lived on the ocean.

Almost. I lived thousands of feet above the ocean.

Uh no, I'm messing with you now. Not before.

Plants have the capacity to suffer.

Sure they do, Billy. Whatever eases your conscious and helps you justify eating animal products.

Oh wait I read that wrong, disregard.

I'm surprised you have the vagina to admit it.

I don't find hat to be satisfactory, and neither do plenty of others.

It's good enough for me, and MOST others.

My point is eating plants is as bad as eating meat. Not that any of it is good, and that we should make food artificially.

And how in the flying fuck would we do that. Analogue meat is already produced from plant products, so that's a no-go already. How are we going to make "artificial food" from scratch? Tell me, fucking expert.

This isn't me conceding your point, by the way.

Who knows, but there has to be a way we can eat without destroying life.

Then again that is your fetish

What I don't understand how you could have so much trouble understanding that there are varying degrees of suffering, and that some suffering is more morally important than other forms.

Two broken legs have more urgency than one broken leg.
A sliced finger has more urgency than a hangnail.
A burning leg has more urgency than an itchy one.

Beating a chicken to death has more moral urgency than plucking a flower.
Raping a cow with a machine until it's pregnant has more moral urgency than picking an apple.

Why is that difficult for you?

It isn't

So what was with your incredulous reaction to the first time I made that argument? Do you see why someone would think that you act difficult for the sake of being difficult?

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 02:39:21 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:30:46 PM

It isn't

So what was with your incredulous reaction to the first time I made that argument? Do you see why someone would think that you act difficult for the sake of being difficult?

But you're not admitting that plucking a flower is wrong.

Because I don't believe it is, because I believe that you NEED a central nervous system to feel pain and to suffer.

There are various studies that point out that plant life does indeed suffer.

And there are various studies that point to the opposite. Way more, actually.

You are?

Also, Verbatim, what's with your hard-on for suffering? Are you telling me that you'd be alright with killing an animal that can't feel pain in any form if it meant your survival? Of course not, that's just not something you'd be alright with. Ending life means ending life, and if that doesn't mean anything to you then you should get off your high horse with all the "suffering is bad" bullshit. By killing a plant you're ending its life. By killing a cow you're ending its life. The only difference is that one has a higher capacity to think, and has developed a decent system of protection to go with it. Feeling pain has a purpose, a function. Feeling pain is just a good way your body alerts you of harm you're receiving.

you can't stop it completely.

I never said you could.

Fact is, vegans are better at minimizing suffering in terms of consumption than meat-eaters are.

But it's still there, thus making the whole movement a ridiculous attempt at something we need to address in a more real way.

You have to prove that plants suffer first, without a shadow of a doubt. Good luck with that.

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