Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 03:33:45 PMhe has some cool interviews on bigthinkYouTubeAre they mirrored on any other channel? I don't want to give views to Big Fedora
he has some cool interviews on bigthinkYouTube
You know, happiness is, for me, a very conformist category. It doesn't enter the frame. You have a serious ideological deviation at the very beginning of the famous proclamation of independence, "the pursuit of happiness."There is a point in psychoanalysis that people do not really want or desire happiness—and I think it's good that it is like that. For example—let's be serious—when you are in a creative endeavor, in that wonderful fever, "My God, I'm onto something!" and so on, happiness doesn't enter it. You are ready to suffer.Sometimes scientists—I read history of quantum physics, or earlier of radiation—were even ready to take into account the possibility that they will die, because of some radiation, and so on. You know, happiness is, for me, an unethical category.And also, we don't really want to get what we think that we want. The classical story that I like, the traditional male chauvinist scenario: I'm married to a wife—relations with her are cold—and I have a mistress. And all the time, I dream, "Oh my God, if my wife were to disappear"—I'm not a murderer, but let us say—"it would open up new life for me with the mistress!"You know what every psychoanalyst will tell you what quite often happens? That then, for some reason, when the wife goes away—you lose the mistress, too. You thought, "This is all I want," when you have it there—but it turns out that it was a much more complex situation, where what you want is not really to live with the mistress, but to keep her as a distant object of desire, about which you dream.And this isn't just an excessive situation. I claim that this is how things function. We don't really want what we think we desire.
used to like him until i saw thisYouTubebetter film critic than philosopher
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 03:25:52 PMused to like him until i saw thisYouTubebetter film critic than philosopherI hope you're not serious about the vegetarian thing.stop being so self righteous
Quote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:01:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 03:25:52 PMused to like him until i saw thisYouTubebetter film critic than philosopherI hope you're not serious about the vegetarian thing.stop being so self righteousi would just expect a philosopher to not treat the subject with such a cavalier attitudeeven if he was joking, the fact that he evens views it as a joke is disappointing as fuck
If he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.
Quote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:05:54 PMIf he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.the only reason he would've said anything like that in the first place is if- he's not joking, and actually thinks vegetarians are degenerates- he is joking, but only insofar as his hostility goesin all likelihood, he's apathetic towards vegetarianism (which is just as bad as being against it)if he had any respect for the philosophy at all, he wouldn't have said it--vegetarians and vegetarian sympathizers don't ever speak ill of other vegetariansit just doesn't happen--and why would it, if you considered the philosophy valid or poignant in some way
Killing plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 09:25:01 PMQuote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:05:54 PMIf he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.the only reason he would've said anything like that in the first place is if- he's not joking, and actually thinks vegetarians are degenerates- he is joking, but only insofar as his hostility goesin all likelihood, he's apathetic towards vegetarianism (which is just as bad as being against it)if he had any respect for the philosophy at all, he wouldn't have said it--vegetarians and vegetarian sympathizers don't ever speak ill of other vegetariansit just doesn't happen--and why would it, if you considered the philosophy valid or poignant in some wayKilling plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life. It's just a less ugly process.
Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 12:32:58 AMKilling plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life. It's just a less ugly process.A friend of mine mentioned thisBoth sides are causing the deaths of many animals, how many numbers/decimals matters little to me. I don't see it as "two evils", I see it as "two industries". I don't care as much about this issue as this convo may have made it seem, but it certainly rubs me the wrong way to see someone hypocritically calling me immoral just for preferring meat over vegetables and such, conveniently ignoring the issues of the vegan industry so they can blindly condemn the meat industry. They may not be killing the animals directly, but they're still being killed.
Killing plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life. It's just a less ugly process.
woahi don't know if i can handle this much stupidity tonight
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 12:35:34 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 12:32:58 AMKilling plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life. If you're a stupid kid who doesn't realize that plants don't feel pain, don't suffer, and aren't even sentient or aware of what's happening in the world. They're as close to inanimate objects as you can get while still being life forms. It's not immoral in the slightest, and even a first grader knows the difference.Are you or are you not ending life simply for the purpose of prolonging yours?
Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 12:32:58 AMKilling plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life. If you're a stupid kid who doesn't realize that plants don't feel pain, don't suffer, and aren't even sentient or aware of what's happening in the world. They're as close to inanimate objects as you can get while still being life forms. It's not immoral in the slightest, and even a first grader knows the difference.
Merely killing for food is and never was immoral. Ever.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 12:40:13 AMMerely killing for food is and never was immoral. Ever. So if I went hunting and killed a deer/turkey for the purpose of eating it, I am not immoral?
Plants can suffer too, just to a much lesser degree.
No, because animals suffer. Like I said. Please read my posts thoroughly before even attempting to respond.
Fact: millions of animals die every year being run over by combine harvesters in the US. Rabbits, snakes, rats, mice, moles, etc... millions of them. Pulled into combines, shredded to pieces, and killed, harvesting soybeans and wheat.
Now of course, the vegetarian response to this fact tends to be "well, at least we're not killing intentionally."
I would in fact argue that it is just as bad, because while it may not be 100% fully intentional, there's still room to improve, a lot. Why do meat industries get so much shit for not treating animals like holy beings in dairy farms and such, but no-one bats an eye at the fact that nothing is being done to prevent the deaths of all the innocent animals on the other end of the spectrum? Suddenly it's just a harmless statistic, a shrug of one's shoulders and an "iunno, doesn't matter".
As long as nothing isn't being actively done to prevent/lessen all the deaths caused by wheat farming and such, I will consider it just as "heartless and immoral" as the meat industry. Both ends could and should be improved.
I did.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm
How do you guys feel about Slavoj Zizek
