How do you guys feel about Slavoj Zizek

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:13:09 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 21, 2016, 12:39:40 AM

Refrain from using insults on me. Either give me an intelligent response and educate me, or don't bother.

No, you refrain from insulting me. Most meat-eaters I've spoken to have absolutely no trouble with admitting that vegans and vegetarians are better people than them. It's just a logical fact, and they're humble about it.

Then there's these petty whiny faggots who feel the need to get all in their feelings about vegans--trying to throw dirt on them any way they can, claiming that "plants have feelings too," and citing that dumbass cliche "muh gophers" statistic--as if it isn't already considered a problem by informed vegans, and as if that makes YOU any better of a person for deliberately contributing to an industry that is essentially a global holocaust.

You're upset that I'm calling you a Nazi, so your natural defense is to call vegans Nazis back. It's SO fucking childish, and you're SO above that.

Quote from: Luciana on May 21, 2016, 01:02:37 AM

I have talked with people about vegan and the meat industry. Don't presume because I don't engage you in it (and for good reason), that I never talk about it.

You've never spoken to anybody who knows what they're talking about.

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Until you actually donate to organizations that help out, try to raise awareness about the issues other than the back-dwellings of the internet, and actually try to make a difference, then no, you're no better than me, or anyone here.

You don't know WHAT the fuck I've done. You don't know where the fuck I've gone.

And for the vegan who actually doesn't do anything else but assume the diet, why the fuck does he HAVE to do anything else? It's a fucking boycott--the whole point is to take a stand against the industry by not consuming its products. If NO ONE consumed the products of the meat industry, the meat industry would collapse.

Therefore, that's all you have to do. That's all you have to do to be a more moral person, and a BETTER person than a meat-eater.

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I figured at least you and I had some understand we can talk about our opinions without resorting to petty insults, and sarcasm. I'm rather disappointed I am proven wrong.

When you claim that I'm just as evil and as fucked up as a meat-eater, it really pisses me the fuck off. Expect angry responses when you call someone evil for doing something good. Expect that.

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 01:17:07 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:17:47 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 01:03:36 AM

I just posted a scientific article which drew conclusions from scientific studies done by using the scientific method.

And that's your definition of the "truth." Ignorant child.

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I have plenty of evidence.

You have one shitty article that did not prove or demonstrate anything.

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They suffer. You're making them suffer and even worse, ending their lives simply to prolong yours.

You have failed to prove this.

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You're just as morally corrupt as every other human being on this planet. Deal with it.

I actually agree with this. There are many reasons for that, but the fact that I eat plants isn't one of them. Every waking moment of our lives, we take from something else. There is a cost for everything that we do.

The only cost of eating a plant is that there's one less plant to eat. They don't suffer. They don't feel pain.

Luciana · May 21, 2016, 01:18:09 AM

1. Wasn't my post. Asked if you could educate me on the issue.

2. I'm not upset you called me a nazi (I never even thought of that), nor do I care enough to get upset at someone name calling me for eating meat. I don't care. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

3. You assume a lot when you say I haven't spoken to anyone who knows what they're talking about. Glad to see you're keeping tabs on me I guess.

4. Your "good" is up for debate on so many levels, but naturally you're so passionate and blind about it that you shut out all opposing factors in your routine narrow minded arguing. Just look at how you shut down that article you got linked by instantly dismissing it as hogwash without anything to back it up other than "nah you're wrong". That's the very definition of ignorant, which is ironic coming from someone like you who likes to champion educating people and clashing in debates. Kinda hard to do that when you use a combination of non-sequiturs and illogical fallacy's.

5. you're just as evil and as fucked up as a meat-eater i guess why not

6. I have a bad habit of trying to get the last word, so this is my last post in regards to this. I have other stuff I need to do. Have a good night, Verby (no that's not sarcasm, so shut up)!

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 01:26:08 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:26:29 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 21, 2016, 01:18:09 AM

2. I'm not upset you called me a nazi (I never even thought of that), nor do I care enough to get upset at someone name calling me for eating meat. I don't care. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

It's not an opinion.

It's a demonstrable fact. You contribute to an industry that tortures animals. There is no debate. That is evil.

And yes, you are so obviously upset, otherwise you wouldn't have cut the conversation so early.
Vegans give you some kind of inferiority complex.

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3. You assume a lot when you say I haven't spoken to anyone who knows what they're talking about. Glad to see you're keeping tabs on me I guess.

If you had, you wouldn't be talking so much shit, would you?

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Just look at how you shut down that article you got linked by instantly dismissing it as hogwash without anything to back it up other than "nah you're wrong".

Except if you read the posts--and this is why I get so livid, because you're not fucking READING--you would've noticed that, oh, that's actually not what I did. I observed the evidence in the article and determined that it was bullshit, because they're claiming that if things make noise, then they feel pain.

My fucking lamp make a noise when I turn it on. Does that mean it's screaming in pain?

When I turn on my television, it makes a noise. Is it crying out in pain?

That is literally first grader logic. That is now how you prove that something feels pain. I cited that plants do not have a central nervous system, which is a FACT, and everything we've ever known that could EVER feel pain has had a central nervous system. Everything. So there is no reason to believe that plants feel pain. At all.

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Kinda hard to do that when you use a combination of non-sequiturs and illogical fallacy's.

Where? Are you using words you don't understand again?

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5. you're just as evil and as fucked up as a meat-eater i guess why not

Oh so pathetically wrong.

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:30:03 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 01:26:08 AM

The scientific method is invalid now? Come on man. Grow up.

YEAH MAN GROW UP MAN COME ON MAN GROW UP MAN COME ON

Shut the fuck up. You know I never said that, so don't tell me that I said that.

What I'm saying is that one confirmation-biased study is not enough. You need hundreds of studies. You need actual proof. When you look hard enough, you can find anything--even if it's not actually there. That's why nobody intelligent takes single studies seriously.

Plants don't suffer.

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:34:52 AM

oh yeah, and i forgot to tell you to grow up

because that makes me look like i'm the mature one, huhuhuhu

Luciana · May 21, 2016, 01:44:37 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 01:26:29 AM

And yes, you are so obviously upset, otherwise you wouldn't have cut the conversation so early.

actually it's because of Attila

I need to expand my Frankish Kingdom

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 01:46:50 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:49:28 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 21, 2016, 01:44:37 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 01:26:29 AM
And yes, you are so obviously upset, otherwise you wouldn't have cut the conversation so early.
actually it's because of Attila

I need to expand my Frankish Kingdom

No, you dropped out because I snapped at you, and you're upset that people can be passionate about what they believe in. Conviction is scary, because you don't have it.

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:54:10 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 01:46:50 AM

There are several studies like that

Then fucking show me.

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and several other biologists that say as there's no nervous system they don't suffer.

And they're 100% right.

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They try to defend themselves and even cry out for help.

That does not mean they suffer. You're projecting. You're anthropomorphizing--applying human logic--to the plant for no logical reason.

Eagles look like they're angry, because of the way their eyes are shaped. That doesn't make them angry. To think so would be applying human phenomena to a non-human organism, and you can't always do that.

Luciana · May 21, 2016, 01:58:19 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 01:49:28 AM

Quote from: Luciana on May 21, 2016, 01:44:37 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 01:26:29 AM
And yes, you are so obviously upset, otherwise you wouldn't have cut the conversation so early.
actually it's because of Attila

I need to expand my Frankish Kingdom
No, you dropped out because I snapped at you, and you're upset that people can be passionate about what they believe in. Conviction is scary, because you don't have it.

Okay.

You're right as always.

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 01:59:50 AM

Challenger thinks machines are actually saying "goodbye" to him, because some of them are programmed to do so when you power them down.

Challenger believes that the reason we have rain is because clouds get sad. When humans get sad, we produce water droplets from our eyes, too, so that means clouds are sad.

When you drink water, the little splashing noise it makes is actually the water crying for help. When you shake the cup, the water starts swishing around, because it's trying to escape. According to challengerX.

According to challengerX, Newton's laws are bullshit. The reason that objects stop moving isn't because they're being acted on by an outside force. The reason objects stop moving is because they get tired, like humans. Because everything is based off of anthropomorphism.

Luciana · May 21, 2016, 02:03:06 AM

even a broken clock is right twice a day

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:03:13 AM

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Luciana · May 21, 2016, 02:04:27 AM

though if you really do believe in that challenger, you worry me

Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:05:37 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:03:13 AM

The important part here being that plants do in fact react to harmful stimuli and in a sense do suffer.

If they suffer at all, they suffer in no morally important way.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · May 21, 2016, 02:06:04 AM

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Luciana · May 21, 2016, 02:08:55 AM

talking about meat is making me hungry

ironically enough, my mother made the best flank steak the last time i ran into people having this argument

but it's 3 AM this time

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:11:04 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:11:54 AM

And don't get me wrong--I think the fact that we have to consume ANYTHING to survive is disgusting. Plants don't suffer, but they do belong to the earth, in a sense--not us. We're a contaminant.

It's part of why I'm an anti-natalist. But starving myself and dying seems like the least productive thing I could do.

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:14:15 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:15:32 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:14:15 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 02:05:37 AM
Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:03:13 AM
The important part here being that plants do in fact react to harmful stimuli and in a sense do suffer.
If they suffer at all, they suffer in no morally important way.
LOL WHAT THE FUCK

How does that even... WHAT?

Plants don't suffer in any morally important way.

Animals do.

Anything that doesn't suffer in the way that animals do may as well not be suffering at all. Because they're not.

Not complicated.

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:15:35 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:16:18 AM

LOL WHAaaaaaaaaAAA?T

HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE YOOOO XDDDDDDD

SO HARD TO UNDRESTAND!!!! XDD

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:17:34 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:18:23 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:17:34 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 02:11:54 AM
And don't get me wrong--I think the fact that we have to consume ANYTHING to survive is disgusting. Plants don't suffer, but they do belong to the earth, in a sense--not us. We're a contaminant.

It's part of why I'm an anti-natalist. But starving myself and dying seems like the least productive thing I could do.
lol I don't know man I think you should go for it :^)

Humans are shit, but vegan anti-natalists are the last shit of them all.

challengerX · May 21, 2016, 02:20:23 AM

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Verbatim · May 21, 2016, 02:22:37 AM

Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:20:23 AM

>all suffering is bad
>some suffering isn't bad

LOL
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Mostly because plant suffering isn't real suffering. It's not even suffering. They don't suffer.

You're acting like I've conceded that plants suffer. They don't.

You're so desperate, it's funny.