Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:03:36 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.Verbatim's primary argument is that conception is wrong because the one being conceived cannot consent beforehand. But how does that which does not exist consent, or do anything at all for that matter?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.
What sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?He did tell Verb to stop lashing back as well.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.
You are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.
"life is what you make of it, durr"
. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair. Whether it's fair or not doesn't matter.In other words, acting out of self interest is the best thing to do, right?
Life isn't supposed to be fair. Whether it's fair or not doesn't matter.
I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:02:32 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?There isn't, until you give it purpose.And giving something purpose is what everything's about.The universe will continue to exist with life with it as much as we want or don't want it to. To appreciate it for its beauty and accomplishments is better than to sit around pouting about how you with everything was an empty void of nothingness.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:05:14 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:03:36 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.Verbatim's primary argument is that conception is wrong because the one being conceived cannot consent beforehand. But how does that which does not exist consent, or do anything at all for that matter?The point is one of imposition not coercion. A foetus can't consent to its mother drinking heavily while pregnant, but that's no justification for the imposition of serious deficiencies onto the foetus.
Verbatim's primary argument is that conception is wrong because the one being conceived cannot consent beforehand. But how does that which does not exist consent, or do anything at all for that matter?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:02:52 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.Even I find that a horribly capricious sentiment. "Might as well just see how they do!"
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.
Life isn't supposed to be fair.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:05:19 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?He did tell Verb to stop lashing back as well.As if they're both equally in the wrong here.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:00:35 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Ah, but it's okay for him to lash out with worse things just because people don't spam the report button?Didn't I just tell him to stop lashing out? Explain to me when I ever said it was okay?I want you to both quit because this board is supposed to be civilized. You're supposed to leave your petty emotions at the door and wipe the bullshit off of your feet when you come in. If you or anyone else doesn't agree then take it up with Cheat since that's what how he wants this forum to be.ftr I'm trying not to have to lock this thread but it seems to be getting increasingly harder.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Ah, but it's okay for him to lash out with worse things just because people don't spam the report button?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:04:53 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:02:52 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.Even I find that a horribly capricious sentiment. "Might as well just see how they do!"I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:06:26 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:02:32 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?There isn't, until you give it purpose.And giving something purpose is what everything's about.The universe will continue to exist with life with it as much as we want or don't want it to. To appreciate it for its beauty and accomplishments is better than to sit around pouting about how you with everything was an empty void of nothingness.So the point of existence is subjective?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:05:19 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?He did tell Verb to stop lashing back as well.As if they're both equally in the wrong here.Murder and theft are both crimes, that doesn't mean a judge implies equivalence by sentencing both to prison.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:07:22 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:05:14 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:03:36 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.Verbatim's primary argument is that conception is wrong because the one being conceived cannot consent beforehand. But how does that which does not exist consent, or do anything at all for that matter?The point is one of imposition not coercion. A foetus can't consent to its mother drinking heavily while pregnant, but that's no justification for the imposition of serious deficiencies onto the foetus.But a fetus exists.
I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:09:17 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:04:53 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:02:52 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.Even I find that a horribly capricious sentiment. "Might as well just see how they do!"I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.You did not just compare the imposition of life with efforts to remedy the disutility of such an imposition. . . Did you?
Yes.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:09:50 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:07:52 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:05:19 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?He did tell Verb to stop lashing back as well.As if they're both equally in the wrong here.Murder and theft are both crimes, that doesn't mean a judge implies equivalence by sentencing both to prison.We're not talking about murder or theft, we're talking about written insults.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:09:17 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:04:53 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:02:52 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.Even I find that a horribly capricious sentiment. "Might as well just see how they do!"I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.You did not just compare the imposition of life with efforts to remedy the disutility of such an imposition. . . Did you?That I did. Is it really so shocking?
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:08:08 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:06:26 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:02:32 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?There isn't, until you give it purpose.And giving something purpose is what everything's about.The universe will continue to exist with life with it as much as we want or don't want it to. To appreciate it for its beauty and accomplishments is better than to sit around pouting about how you with everything was an empty void of nothingness.So the point of existence is subjective?Yes.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:09:17 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:04:53 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:02:52 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.Even I find that a horribly capricious sentiment. "Might as well just see how they do!"I don't see the issue. That's basically what scientists do with lab rats.The rats have a specific purpose. What scientific experiments are your potential children participating in?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:11:29 AMYes.Wouldn't that imply a lack of objective morality?
Everything in life is basically a test to see how far you go.
The issue isn't specific to this thread. I was referring more to his overall behavior.Also I see no reason for this thread to be locked.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:11:29 AMYes.Well, you're wrong.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 10:14:10 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:11:29 AMYes.Wouldn't that imply a lack of objective morality?Who said morality was a part of any of this?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:11:29 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:08:08 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:06:26 AMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 03, 2015, 10:02:32 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?There isn't, until you give it purpose.And giving something purpose is what everything's about.The universe will continue to exist with life with it as much as we want or don't want it to. To appreciate it for its beauty and accomplishments is better than to sit around pouting about how you with everything was an empty void of nothingness.So the point of existence is subjective?Yes.That would also include the possibility that any number of persons don't find a purpose in existence, right?
How bad does life have to get
