House & Senate Begin Process to Repeal ACA

 
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House Voted Today to Begin the Process

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Republicans moved one step closer to repealing Obamacare when the House passed a measure this afternoon directing committees to begin working on legislation to repeal major pieces of the law.

The resolution cleared the House 227-198. Ten members didn't vote. Similar legislation passed in the Senate Thursday morning largely along party lines.

Republican leaders expect to enact a repeal as early as next month; House Speaker Paul Ryan said it would "definitely" come in the first 100 days.

They also say they will advance a replacement at a similar pace, though it could take years to go into effect.

The passage of the budget measure allows Republicans to dismantle large pieces of the Affordable Care Act quickly and efficiently.

A group of nine moderate and conservative House Republicans voted against the bill with concerns that Republicans would end up repealing the law without clearly laying out and presenting their replacement.

"The only thing I've ever asked for is that the replacement plan be fully developed before we take on the repeal issue," Rep. Charlie Dent, R-PA, a leading moderate who voted against the measure, said in an interview.

Hardliners want more details and are concerned about adding to the deficit.

Democrats criticized the vote and accused the GOP of playing politics.

"It's being done for political reasons," said Rep. John Delaney, D-Maryland, on the House floor.

Essentially means that the ACA is done for - however the GOP leadership in Congress continues to insist that popular measures (Protection of those with preexisting conditions, people under 26 can stay with parents) would remain in their future plan.

That remains to be seen, because we've yet to get a replacement plan after six years.


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?

Bet there is none now? Or none ever?


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?

Bet there is none now? Or none ever?

None ever.


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?

Bet there is none now? Or none ever?

None ever.

I wouldn't go that far yet - I expect Republicans to put forward a plan sometime this year.

I don't see it going to the lengths that the ACA did to ensure protections for those with preexisting conditions. They seem to be pushing the idea that they want to make healthcare "accessible" to all. Problem is without those protections, the most vulnerable are going to pay the most.


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?

Bet there is none now? Or none ever?

None ever.

I wouldn't go that far yet - I expect Republicans to put forward a plan sometime this year.

I don't see it going to the lengths that the ACA did to ensure protections for those with preexisting conditions. They seem to be pushing the idea that they want to make healthcare "accessible" to all. Problem is without those protections, the most vulnerable are going to pay the most.

I just feel like if they actually intended to replace it they would have come up with a replacement plan years ago. Repealing it now and then leaving the American public with nothing while they try to come up something else would/will be disastrous.


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?

Bet there is none now? Or none ever?

None ever.

I wouldn't go that far yet - I expect Republicans to put forward a plan sometime this year.

I don't see it going to the lengths that the ACA did to ensure protections for those with preexisting conditions. They seem to be pushing the idea that they want to make healthcare "accessible" to all. Problem is without those protections, the most vulnerable are going to pay the most.

I just feel like if they actually intended to replace it they would have come up with a replacement plan years ago. Repealing it now and then leaving the American public with nothing while they try to come up something else would/will be disastrous.

I don't disagree - the fact that there has been well over 50 repeal votes over six years without a single credible replacement offered is incredibly irresponsible.

Congressional leadership is also coming at odds with Trump, who wants to see a replacement plan immediately - something that can't and won't happen. Healthcare policy is incredibly complex and is going to take several months (at the minimum) to formulate a credible plan that doesn't toss 20+ million out into the cold.


 
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.


 
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.

You know, I've begun to question that notion the last couple weeks


 
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Weren't you a fan of health care systems like the Netherlands and Belgium (which are to my knowledge basically identical)?
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Weren't you a fan of health care systems like the Netherlands and Belgium (which are to my knowledge basically identical)?
shhh
Of course, what I meant to say was "damn, if only I too had a system as majestic as the NHS. God save the Queen and Worcestershire."
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.

You know, I've begun to question that notion the last couple weeks
Well Democrats lost this election because they've lost the white middle class workers. What better way to get them back by saying

"The party you just voted in did everything in their power to make you and your kids have no health insurance, so you can't be protected. We offered this to you, and yes it needed improvements, and we were willing to work with them to fix it, but what do they do? They gut the entire thing."

This implies though that Democrats will have an identity by then. The easy claim seems to be going to the Bernie Sanders style of populism that attracted millions. Establishment things are failing all around the Western world, so staying with that is going to make them lose even more power than they already have.
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.

You know, I've begun to question that notion the last couple weeks
Well Democrats lost this election because they've lost the white middle class workers. What better way to get them back by saying

"The party you just voted in did everything in their power to make you and your kids have no health insurance, so you can't be protected. We offered this to you, and yes it needed improvements, and we were willing to work with them to fix it, but what do they do? They gut the entire thing."

Because it isn't as easy as putting out a flashy ad saying that.

Congress is already extremely hated - their approval ratings for the past 8+ years have been hovering in the teens and low twenties. The President Elect? He was elected with some of the lowest approval ratings in modern history and continues to have average approval ratings - at a time when Clinton/Bush/Obama had approval ratings of 20+ points. Obama had an 80-20 approval rating as he took office.

Americans are well aware that they hate Congress and the people currently in power. But the fact is most Americans are unlikely to vote out their incumbent Representative and Senator, and gerrymandering has only strengthened that fact
Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 07:58:40 PM by Icy


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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?
There's dozens of replacement plans. The question is if Congress goes through with it or not.


 
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Name one.


 
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.
Not if they can somehow pin it on Democrats.


 
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If Republicans leave millions in the cold, they'll for sure lose tons of house and senate seats.
Not if they can somehow pin it on Democrats.
I don't know how they would. Especially when they say they wanted to keep some of the "good things" from Obamacare.


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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?
There's dozens of replacement plans. The question is if Congress goes through with it or not.
Name one.
Rand Paul's "Act to Replace Obamacare". He's said numerous times that there are many replacement plans that already exist.


 
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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?
There's dozens of replacement plans. The question is if Congress goes through with it or not.
Name one.
Rand Paul's "Act to Replace Obamacare". He's said numerous times that there are many replacement plans that already exist.
You gave me one, and keep saying there are numerous ones, yet Republicans are struggling to come up with a plan right now and a lot are afraid of repealing without a replacement plan. You'd think obstructing all these years, they'd have thought up one by now and showed it.


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How much do you want to bet that there is no replacement plan?
There's dozens of replacement plans. The question is if Congress goes through with it or not.
Name one.
Rand Paul's "Act to Replace Obamacare". He's said numerous times that there are many replacement plans that already exist.
You gave me one, and keep saying there are numerous ones, yet Republicans are struggling to come up with a plan right now and a lot are afraid of repealing without a replacement plan. You'd think obstructing all these years, they'd have thought up one by now and showed it.
You told me to give you one. And it's probably because nobody can agree about Obamacare. Go watch some of Rand Paul's recent interviews.


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I like how the average Trump supporter is now defending him for trying to use US taxes on the wall that doesn't actually tackle illegal immigration whatsoever.  So now it's hardly a matter of saving their tax dollars, it's a matter of choosing if it's better allocated towards concrete or human lives.

Also, this is nice:

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"I posted about my son's cerebral palsy and how the ACA enables him to get more physical/occupational therapy (Not a monetary issue, an insurance red-tape issue) and had 5 different redditors say "your retard should just die" and that kind of thing."

 this trump supporter responds:
"Oh fuck off. Take care of your fucking self, no one has any obligation to pay for your problems.

It's no ones fault but your own that you had a retarded child when you or your wife should have gotten it aborted. You knew what you were getting in to."

Y'know, they should have aborted their kid when they found out it had that developmental disorder diagnosed most likely months after birth.