Holy shit, political correctness (and Muslim apology) has gone WAY too far

More Than Mortal · October 07, 2014, 06:49:50 AM

My philosophy teacher recently gave me back an essay I'd done last week, it was fairly good considering it was the first of the year. However, there is an incredibly disturbing comment she's left next to one of the passages. This is what I wrote, practically verbatim:

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It seems that small bastions of extreme fundamentalism remain loyal to a literal reading [of scripture], for example the evangelical protestants of the Westboro Baptist Church or the Wahhabi Muslims of extreme Sunni groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS.

She circled the names al-Qaeda and ISIS and wrote "Be careful" next to it. I asked her what she meant, and she said I need to be mindful of what I say, because I never know who could be marking my work.

Seriously, frack this shit.

Dustin · October 07, 2014, 06:52:11 AM

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More Than Mortal · October 07, 2014, 06:52:59 AM

Quote from: Dustin on October 07, 2014, 06:52:11 AM

Are al-Qaeda and ISIS trigger words in britbongistan?

Yeah. I mean, I don't want to end up like a Danish cartoonist, but apparently it isn't kosher to imply that such radical groups are, in any way, meaningfully Islamic.

Dustin · October 07, 2014, 06:59:41 AM

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More Than Mortal · October 07, 2014, 07:05:45 AM

Quote from: Dustin on October 07, 2014, 06:59:41 AM

Maybe you could try putting more emphasis away from Islamic fundamentalism?

That's precisely why I mentioned the WBC in the same sentence. I certainly could have mentioned the Christian violence in the Central African Republic, or the Lord's Resistance Army or even the Buddhists in Myanmar massacring and committing pogroms against Muslims.

However, the teacher explicitly stated that we need to watch the news unfold regarding ISIS and their exploits in Syria. Not to mention, the entire course is about the tension between secular and religious authority, I couldn't steer clear of Islamic influences on secular society in practice let alone on principle.

Dustin · October 07, 2014, 07:11:39 AM

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More Than Mortal · October 07, 2014, 07:16:23 AM

Quote from: Dustin on October 07, 2014, 07:11:39 AM

Maybe it could have helped to leave another note that not all religious people are radicals? I'm more inclined to say that your teacher doesn't know what she's doing, but if you have to write another paper for her/him it might help.

I'll probably end up having to do that. It's just intensely frustrating when I'm called out for implying ISIS are Muslims because obviously ISIS, al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, the Iranian ayatollahs aren't "real Muslims", when it's so inexorably linked to the subject.

I'm sure people say the same about Antibalaka, right?

Fuck my teacher, I'm going to a politics lesson.

Mordo · October 07, 2014, 08:37:42 AM

What?

How can merely naming fundamentalists be construed as bigotry? That doesn't even make logical sense.

Magos Domina · October 07, 2014, 08:39:10 AM

Next thing you know Christmas will be banned from public buildings.

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Yes this is a wild exaggeration meant to sound like Daily Mail scare mongering, but the point still stands that there was nothing deeply offensive or stereotypical in Metas essay, he did after all name a Christian example as well as a Muslim one

Maybe she's an ISIS sympathizer.

Mr. Psychologist · October 07, 2014, 08:42:24 AM

Quote from: Dustin on October 07, 2014, 06:52:11 AM

Are al-Qaeda and ISIS trigger words in britbongistan?

In a manner of speaking...

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Mat Cauthon · October 07, 2014, 08:45:54 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 07, 2014, 08:42:24 AM

Quote from: Dustin on October 07, 2014, 06:52:11 AM
Are al-Qaeda and ISIS trigger words in britbongistan?

In a manner of speaking...

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*Air Horns*
*Hit Markers*
MUHAMMED! GET THE SNACKBAR
ALLAH ALLAH

Mr. Psychologist · October 07, 2014, 08:54:45 AM

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Sharon law for britan.

Mr. Psychologist · October 07, 2014, 08:57:01 AM

OT: Absolutely disgusting.

There should be absolutely no problem with tearing the shit out of ISIS and AQ's ideologies, looking at the root causes and examining the passages that they misappropriate to use as justification. (Then there are the passages like Jews are both Apes and Swine... but that's another discussion >.>) Provided that you aren't dumb enough to make the generalisations or assumptions that all muslims follow the line of thinking that they do.

Magos Domina · October 07, 2014, 09:19:26 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 07, 2014, 08:54:45 AM

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Sharon law for britan.

That is absolutely HARAAMESY!

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Mr. Psychologist · October 07, 2014, 09:28:11 AM

Gaunt's Fatwa, I like it.

11/10 on the image though, made all the sweeter because I was just reading a chapter from the Ghosts >.>

Magos Domina · October 07, 2014, 09:35:37 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 07, 2014, 09:28:11 AM

Gaunt's Fatwa, I like it.

11/10 on the image though, made all the sweeter because I was just reading a chapter from the Ghosts >.>

Lord Commissar Mohammad, making the galaxy halal in the name of the God Emperor Allah.

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OT: I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing would be out right banned, I don't care what religion you are, all belief systems should be open to to satire and parodies, a line has to be drawn between what is offensive (all muslims are bombers/pigs/sand people) and a piss take (the above jokes).

Mr. Psychologist · October 07, 2014, 09:46:30 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on October 07, 2014, 09:35:37 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 07, 2014, 09:28:11 AM
Gaunt's Fatwa, I like it.

11/10 on the image though, made all the sweeter because I was just reading a chapter from the Ghosts >.>

Lord Commissar Mohammad, making the galaxy halal in the name of the God Emperor Allah.
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OT: I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing would be out right banned, I don't care what religion you are, all belief systems should be open to to satire and parodies, a line has to be drawn between what is offensive (all muslims are bombers/pigs/sand people) and a piss take (the above jokes).

Indeed, if you can't laugh at yourself then there is no hope for you at all. Some joking photoshops of the absolutely haram guy into a universe as grimdark and psychotically zealous as it gets =/= drawing rude images of Mohammed, just to piss people off .-.

Statefarm · October 07, 2014, 10:06:09 AM

Well it's true. Or was she offended? You shouldn't have to worry about what you said offending anyone, but maybe she was just emphasizing problems it might cause outside her class? So you're prepared.

Still wrong, of course. And the Christian example beforehand would have been enough for me.

EDIT: I re-read what you stated. Just naming a radical group, and acknowledging they are radical, shouldn't cause any issues. Dunno what her problem was.

challengerX · October 07, 2014, 10:23:27 AM

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Isara · October 07, 2014, 10:24:01 AM

Did you respond by saying "Perhaps, but how do I know that someone who is reading my work will share a similar thought as yours as per each thought is its own realm?"

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 07, 2014, 06:49:50 AM

She circled the names al-Qaeda and ISIS and wrote "Be careful" next to it. I asked her what she meant, and she said I need to be mindful of what I say, because I never know who could be marking my work.

clum clum · October 07, 2014, 10:31:01 AM

Yeah, people are terrified in case they accidentally offend the Muslims, because they will be called out as a racist and it can be career suicide. Its twisted, but that is how our society sees things.

Risay117 · October 07, 2014, 10:59:54 AM

Not sure what is wrong but for now it is a buzz word.

Honestly i would say the sentence is correct.

Kinder Graham · October 07, 2014, 11:11:37 AM

>britbongistan
>not the next part of the caliphate

Scorch · October 07, 2014, 11:27:21 AM

Absolutely Haram

Jocephalopod · October 07, 2014, 12:05:35 PM

She has a point, what if a member of Isis reads the essay? I'm sure they will be very upset with you and it might even hurt there feelings

Remember Muslims aren't all evil they are just misunderstood