Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio vs. Gary Johnson

More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 02:36:26 PM

Hillary Clinton:

The Good

- Supported Israel in their response to Gaza in 2014.
- Considers Iran a problem for NATO, and has criticised them for state-sponsored terrorism.
- Supports the HRC and gay marriage.
- Has criticised standardised testing for killing creativity and individuality.
- Supports Obama's E.O. on immigrants.
- Open to repealing the 2.4pc excise tax on medical devices.
- Believes in the scientific consensus on Global Warming.

The Bad

- Supportive of fiscal stimulus; voted for a $60bn package in 2008.
- Advocates repealing the Bush tax cuts, and wants to raise income tax on those earning over $1mn.
- Supports raising minimum wage.
- Supports making flag-burning illegal.
- Wants a federal ban on assault weapons.
- Criticises Burwell v. Hobby Lobby.
- Supports the death penalty.
- Is against education vouchers.
- Supports universal healthcare.
- Supports government investment in green infrastructure.

Marco Rubio:

The Good

- Opposed Obama's fiscal stimulus, and calls for a balanced budget.
- Supports federal R&D and space exploration spending.
- Is against raising any taxes during a Recession.
- Opposes capital gains tax and the estate tax.
- Supports reforming social security to combat funding problems.
- Wants to replace the EITC with a single, federal wage subsidy as opposed to raising the minimum wage.
- Considers radical Islamists the most immediate security threat.
- Supports bombing campaigns against ISIS.
- Voted yes for extending the 'roving wiretaps' provision of the PATRIOT Act.
- Pro-life.
- Supports a school voucher system.
- Supports the DREAM Act.
- Wants healthcare to be properly marketised.

The Bad

- Wants to limit federal spending to the rate of inflation (this is really fucking stupid).
- Has called for 'moderate' Syrian rebels to be armed.
- Opposes Roe v. Wade.
- Is a climate change denier.

Gary Johnson:

The Good

- Opposed Obama's fiscal stimulus.
- Favours replacing income and corporation tax with a national consumption tax.
- Supports devolving social security to the states.
- Opposes gun control initiatives.
- Is against the death penalty.
- Against the War on Drugs.
- Wants a school voucher system.
- Wants to simplify legal immigration.
- Wants healthcare properly marketised.
- Supports nuclear energy.
- Believes in climate change.

The Bad

- Opposed quantitative easing.
- Supports a 43pc cut to the defence budget.
- Has stated the U.S. has no right to be involved in Ukraine.
- Is a strict constructionist in regards to the Constitution.
- Believes military action should only ever be used with congressional assent.

Obviously these are subjective.

Alternative Facts · January 28, 2015, 02:39:05 PM

Gary Johnson won't be winning any of the next four elections.

I want to hear more from Clinton on the Middle East situation (ISIS), as she has been very quiet since leaving the State Department in 2012.

I want to hear more from Rubio in general - he's very new, and I hope to see more of him in debates. Though, like I've said, he won't make it far in the primaries.

More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 02:41:44 PM

Obligatory water break post:

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Alternative Facts · January 28, 2015, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 02:41:44 PM

Obligatory water break post:
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"The Crumbling Speech Heard Round the World"

PSU · January 28, 2015, 02:46:03 PM

I'll take Rubio and its not even close.

big sponge · January 28, 2015, 02:48:32 PM

Herman Cain.

DAS B00T x2 · January 28, 2015, 02:50:12 PM

Muh Gary Johnson will save America.

Korra · January 28, 2015, 02:50:15 PM

Rubio.

Naoto · January 28, 2015, 02:52:12 PM

I don't see Rubio as a front runner for the right. Jeb Bush will probably end up gettting the nod as long as he doesn't screw up the debates. Republicans tend to go with whoever is 'next in line'.

Gary Johnson will not be president of the US and that is a wasted vote.

More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 28, 2015, 02:50:15 PM

Rubio.

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Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 28, 2015, 03:00:12 PM

Never in a million years would I vote for Marco Rubio. The only candidate worse than him would be Ben Carson. Even Birther/Canadian Ted Cruz would be better.

Hillary Clinton is giving off bad vibes. I feel like Democrats should brace for disappointment.

Gary Johnson would never win but he's the only one who'd do things I'd actually care about.

Alternative Facts · January 28, 2015, 03:03:55 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:00:12 PM

Never in a million years would I vote for Marco Rubio. The only candidate worse than him would be Ben Carson. Even Birther/Canadian Ted Cruz would be better.

Wait...what? Cruz a better candidate than Rubio?

I laughed.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 28, 2015, 03:03:55 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:00:12 PM
Never in a million years would I vote for Marco Rubio. The only candidate worse than him would be Ben Carson. Even Birther/Canadian Ted Cruz would be better.

Wait...what? Cruz a better candidate than Rubio?

I laughed.

Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.

More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 03:07:45 PM

I'd resurrect and murder Ronald Reagan while fucking Margaret Thatcher's corpse if it meant Ted Cruz didn't get the Republican nomination over Rubio.

More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM

Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.

I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.

Alternative Facts · January 28, 2015, 03:11:48 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:07:45 PM

I'd resurrect and murder Ronald Reagan while fucking Margaret Thatcher's corpse if it meant Ted Cruz didn't get the Republican nomination over Rubio.

To be honest, in the current Republican landscape...Cruz and Rubio have a roughly similar chance to get the nomination.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 28, 2015, 03:18:05 PM

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More Than Mortal · January 28, 2015, 03:20:27 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on January 28, 2015, 03:18:05 PM

Johnson is based as fuck, and I expect to vote for him more as a symbolic gesture than anything else.

The man probably would've stagnated the economy had he any influence over the Federal Reserve at the time. I don't trust him.

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Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 28, 2015, 03:25:49 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.
I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.

Immigration reform? Government shutdown (being overshadowed by Ted Cruz)? The since-aborted 'Obamacare bailout' plan?

I just... I cringe at it. At least I can identify with Mitt Romney's social awkwardness. Marco Rubio just seems in over his head.

Korra · January 28, 2015, 03:37:36 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 28, 2015, 02:50:15 PM
Rubio.
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fukin lol

Wizard · January 28, 2015, 04:02:38 PM

I'll be going with Rubio out of the rest of them.

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Forgewolf · January 28, 2015, 05:22:05 PM

I'll take either one EXCEPT Hillary Clinton.

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:25:49 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.
I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.
Immigration reform? Government shutdown (being overshadowed by Ted Cruz)? The since-aborted 'Obamacare bailout' plan?

At least I can identify with Mitt Romney's social awkwardness. .

You mean.. you are a sociopath too?

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These two examples should be enough to conclude that Romney is not fit to serve THE PEOPLE

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 28, 2015, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:22:05 PM

I'll take either one EXCEPT Hillary Clinton.

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.
I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.
Immigration reform? Government shutdown (being overshadowed by Ted Cruz)? The since-aborted 'Obamacare bailout' plan?

At least I can identify with Mitt Romney's social awkwardness. .
You mean.. you are a sociopath too?

Spoiler
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These two examples should be enough to conclude that Romney is not fit to serve THE PEOPLE

>.>

Perhaps it wasn't appropriate for me to say that. It was a bit irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney, but I'd prefer him over Rubio.

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Forgewolf · January 28, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
I'll take either one EXCEPT Hillary Clinton.

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.
I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.
Immigration reform? Government shutdown (being overshadowed by Ted Cruz)? The since-aborted 'Obamacare bailout' plan?

At least I can identify with Mitt Romney's social awkwardness. .
You mean.. you are a sociopath too?

Spoiler
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Spoiler
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These two examples should be enough to conclude that Romney is not fit to serve THE PEOPLE
>.>

Perhaps it wasn't appropriate for me to say that. It was a bit irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney, but I'd prefer him over Rubio.

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That kid wasn't awkward.. Unbreaking eye contact is:

Secret 2: Sociopaths sustain eye contact
Have you ever met someone that unflinchingly maintains eye contact with you? That no matter how many times you look away or glance down, they sustain direct eye contact with you? M.E. Thomas describes this as a ‘predator stare’ and states that most sociopaths exhibit this trait.
Often this stare can make the sociopath come across as arrogant, aggressive or seductive. Realistically however, this is an unintentional behavior and while it might unnerve others is not something they do deliberately. It’s just how they interact. Perhaps because their emotional cues aren’t as developed or because they simply don’t care about making others feel uncomfortable, this sustained eye contact quickly becomes one of their calling cards.

Turkey · January 28, 2015, 05:43:53 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

Secret 2: Sociopaths sustain eye contact
Have you ever met someone that unflinchingly maintains eye contact with you? That no matter how many times you look away or glance down, they sustain direct eye contact with you? M.E. Thomas describes this as a ‘predator stare’ and states that most sociopaths exhibit this trait.
Often this stare can make the sociopath come across as arrogant, aggressive or seductive. Realistically however, this is an unintentional behavior and while it might unnerve others is not something they do deliberately. It’s just how they interact. Perhaps because their emotional cues aren’t as developed or because they simply don’t care about making others feel uncomfortable, this sustained eye contact quickly becomes one of their calling cards.

I used to be pretty bad at keeping eye contact, so eventually I just forced myself to look people in the eye for the entirety of a conversation. As for politicians, eye contact shows someone that you're listening and are comfortable with what they're saying; it's a sign of attention and respect. I find that sociopath conclusion to be pretty damn shaky.

Forgewolf · January 28, 2015, 05:45:10 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on January 28, 2015, 05:43:53 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
Secret 2: Sociopaths sustain eye contact
Have you ever met someone that unflinchingly maintains eye contact with you? That no matter how many times you look away or glance down, they sustain direct eye contact with you? M.E. Thomas describes this as a ‘predator stare’ and states that most sociopaths exhibit this trait.
Often this stare can make the sociopath come across as arrogant, aggressive or seductive. Realistically however, this is an unintentional behavior and while it might unnerve others is not something they do deliberately. It’s just how they interact. Perhaps because their emotional cues aren’t as developed or because they simply don’t care about making others feel uncomfortable, this sustained eye contact quickly becomes one of their calling cards.

I used to be pretty bad at keeping eye contact, so eventually I just forced myself to look people in the eye for the entirety of a conversation. As for politicians, eye contact shows someone that you're listening and are comfortable with what they're saying; it's a sign of attention and respect. I find that sociopath conclusion to be pretty damn shaky.

There are other signs to and he fits all of them, as do many politicians do.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 28, 2015, 06:13:01 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Forgewolf on January 28, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
I'll take either one EXCEPT Hillary Clinton.

Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 28, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Kupo on January 28, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Marco Rubio never met an opportunity he couldn't botch.
I've seen him perform better than most other politicians when it comes to interviews and conversations. The only one I know of which really was botched was the 2013 SotU response.
Immigration reform? Government shutdown (being overshadowed by Ted Cruz)? The since-aborted 'Obamacare bailout' plan?

At least I can identify with Mitt Romney's social awkwardness. .
You mean.. you are a sociopath too?

Spoiler
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Spoiler
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These two examples should be enough to conclude that Romney is not fit to serve THE PEOPLE
>.>

Perhaps it wasn't appropriate for me to say that. It was a bit irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney, but I'd prefer him over Rubio.

YouTube

That kid wasn't awkward.. Unbreaking eye contact is:

Secret 2: Sociopaths sustain eye contact
Have you ever met someone that unflinchingly maintains eye contact with you? That no matter how many times you look away or glance down, they sustain direct eye contact with you? M.E. Thomas describes this as a ‘predator stare’ and states that most sociopaths exhibit this trait.
Often this stare can make the sociopath come across as arrogant, aggressive or seductive. Realistically however, this is an unintentional behavior and while it might unnerve others is not something they do deliberately. It’s just how they interact. Perhaps because their emotional cues aren’t as developed or because they simply don’t care about making others feel uncomfortable, this sustained eye contact quickly becomes one of their calling cards.

You don't need to convince me because I don't need convincing. This is Mitt Romney we're talking about. And he's still a better candidate than Rubio.

BrenMan 94 · January 28, 2015, 06:51:42 PM

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. I might end up voting for him again.