Hillary Clinton got shit on for saying "all lives matter"

Turkey · June 24, 2015, 08:48:48 PM

My dislike for Mrs. Clinton aside, this is pretty ridiculous. I completely understand that the phrase "Black lives matter" has legitimate significance in today's society and that it doesn't at all mean that only black lives matter, but it was a pretty innocent and (*gasp*) politically correct way of tiptoeing around a hot issue (remember: she's infamous for never answering questions or stating her platform).

A portion of her speech:

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"Years later when I was old enough to understand I asked her, 'what kept you going?' Her answer was very simple: kindness along the way from someone she believed mattered. All lives matter". (Emphasis added but she was said this very pointedly)

This speech was given at a church near the location of the Ferguson riots, and it is a black church not unlike the church that was the site of the recent act of domestic terrorism rooted in racism.

So here we have the primary Democratic candidate, the party that makes an art out of pandering to minorities to win votes, saying that every life matters while addressing a black congregation in a speech largely targeted around the feelings stirred up by Dylann Roof's killing spree, and that's not even good enough. Sorry folks, there's no way to win. If the dems can't kiss ass to a vulnerable black, lower class demographic, then nobody can.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

Verbatim · June 24, 2015, 09:39:23 PM

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maverick · June 24, 2015, 10:45:41 PM

A few idiots bitching on twitter aren't even worth giving acknowledgement to.

Mad Max · June 24, 2015, 10:58:52 PM

wait...how is "all lives matter" a bad thing? i don't get it.

Turkey · June 24, 2015, 11:28:14 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 24, 2015, 10:58:52 PM

wait...how is "all lives matter" a bad thing? i don't get it.

They saw it as a snub against the "black lives matter" movement.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 24, 2015, 11:36:55 PM

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Mad Max · June 24, 2015, 11:46:06 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on June 24, 2015, 11:28:14 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 24, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
wait...how is "all lives matter" a bad thing? i don't get it.

They saw it as a snub against the "black lives matter" movement.

...people are idiots.

BrenMan 94 · June 25, 2015, 12:57:56 AM

Spoiler

Can't even fucking spell.

Naoto · June 25, 2015, 02:38:51 AM

Same thing happened to some college president. Maher was talking about it. She had to apologize.
There's some fucked up people out there. So tolerant that saying every life matters is considered offensive.

Quote from: Mad Max on June 24, 2015, 11:46:06 PM

...people are idiots.

At least you're seeing reason on this one.

Erives · June 25, 2015, 03:37:25 AM

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Saleem · June 25, 2015, 04:34:57 AM

Damn I'm cut off from a lot of bullshit going on in the rest of the country. Where do these people even come from?

DAS B00T x2 · June 25, 2015, 07:55:21 AM

Fuck it. I give up on social progressives.
#policelivesmatter

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Sandtrap · June 25, 2015, 02:16:36 PM

Quote from: Nuka on June 25, 2015, 01:02:28 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 25, 2015, 08:39:47 AM
Also, I find it really fucking hysterical how the way police treated Mexicans and still treats them today is totally ignored by blacks. They act like they're the only ones who have it rough.

All lives do matter. Something. That should've resulted in unity has people clinging to their oppression like some sort of sick competition.
People can't stop playing in the Oppression Olympics. Whoever is the most oppressed combination of demographics wins.

Look on the bright side.

If they get any more retarded they might start killing themselves to prove that they're the most oppressed.

"Muh oppression drove me to this.avi"

Then they'll all suddenly up and dissappear.

Lord Starch · June 25, 2015, 11:39:52 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 24, 2015, 11:46:06 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on June 24, 2015, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on June 24, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
wait...how is "all lives matter" a bad thing? i don't get it.

They saw it as a snub against the "black lives matter" movement.
...people are idiots.

Not really. It's an overreaction but if you were in black peoples shoes you'd probably see it as her undermining the black lives matter movement. Given the amount of black people that have been killed by cops and recently a gunman, the last thing black Americans want is to feel like their movement is being undermined.
I can't really explain it in a way white people get it, but I try.

DAS B00T x2 · June 25, 2015, 11:43:55 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:39:52 PM

Given the amount of black people that have been killed by cops and recently a gunman,

eleven?

Lord Starch · June 25, 2015, 11:48:29 PM

Quote from: BADABING, WIT A B00T on June 25, 2015, 11:43:55 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:39:52 PM
Given the amount of black people that have been killed by cops and recently a gunman,
eleven?

Dang it boot you know what I mean. It's a build up thing, black people have been treated like shit since we got off the boat. The only reason a lot of these cops are caught is because of witnesses filming or reporting the stuff. We can't really tally all the black people who have been killed by cops or racists, but I think we can agree it's more than 11.

June 26, 2015, 03:58:26 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:48:29 PM

Quote from: BADABING, WIT A B00T on June 25, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:39:52 PM
Given the amount of black people that have been killed by cops and recently a gunman,
eleven?
Dang it boot you know what I mean. It's a build up thing, black people have been treated like shit since we got off the boat. The only reason a lot of these cops are caught is because of witnesses filming or reporting the stuff. We can't really tally all the black people who have been killed by cops or racists, but I think we can agree it's more than 11.

good of time as any to post this again

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The truth is, we like to overemphasize and bombard the TV stations with this ridiculous amount of coverage over ultimately small events. We build up these martyrs, whose deaths were caused by fucked up individuals, and whose entire purpose is just to separate us more. It might sound insensitive, but the way to end racism isn't focusing on the differences, it's focusing on the similarities. Any relatively intelligent person knows that racism is a disgusting thing, and people who are actually racists are almost universally hated outside of their own ignorant communities. If we keep pushing these negative stories and and this white vs black struggle on the news every night, it will only divide us more. The saying All Lives Matter is much, much better than Black Lives Matter, I really have to say. We're all one race - the fucking human race - and the more we focus on this shit, the more we forget that.

Lord Starch · June 26, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 26, 2015, 03:58:26 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: BADABING, WIT A B00T on June 25, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on June 25, 2015, 11:39:52 PM
Given the amount of black people that have been killed by cops and recently a gunman,
eleven?
Dang it boot you know what I mean. It's a build up thing, black people have been treated like shit since we got off the boat. The only reason a lot of these cops are caught is because of witnesses filming or reporting the stuff. We can't really tally all the black people who have been killed by cops or racists, but I think we can agree it's more than 11.
good of time as any to post this again
Spoiler

The truth is, we like to overemphasize and bombard the TV stations with this ridiculous amount of coverage over ultimately small events. We build up these martyrs, whose deaths were caused by fucked up individuals, and whose entire purpose is just to separate us more. It might sound insensitive, but the way to end racism isn't focusing on the differences, it's focusing on the similarities. Any relatively intelligent person knows that racism is a disgusting thing, and people who are actually racists are almost universally hated outside of their own ignorant communities. If we keep pushing these negative stories and and this white vs black struggle on the news every night, it will only divide us more. The saying All Lives Matter is much, much better than Black Lives Matter, I really have to say. We're all one race - the fucking human race - and the more we focus on this shit, the more we forget that.

I get what you're saying. I understand the media likes to take isolated instances of bad behavior and make it seem like the norm, but when I'm talking about these situations, I'm talking about the history of violence against black folks. I know modern times are better for black people (no more legal lynchings is nice), but we have to acknowledge that there are a lot of situations in which black people are profiled or harassed by cops, in addition to not being so "accepted" in certain social groups.
But I agree with you though about all lives matter. I wasn't really attacking Hillary, I was just saying I can see their reasoning.

Risay117 · June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM

She gonna win anyway, unless the Repubs do something stupid. Jeb has the best chance of winning i feel. Actually the best chance in reforming his parties standings and moving them more to the progressive side. Not sure of the other candidates.

He better be ready to fuck over every crazy repub promise he makes in the primaries to win the presidential.

Risay117 · June 27, 2015, 02:19:09 AM

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Quote from: Risay117 on June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there

But what other options exist. I mean Sanders sounds great but in the presidential he will lose. And most people who follow politics or re liberal may not like her but how many people do you bet are there that are illiterate on the positions of these leaders.

Naoto · June 27, 2015, 02:19:52 AM

Quote from: Nuka on June 27, 2015, 02:15:39 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there

And she's still gonna win on name recognition alone. I want Sanders, and I think he'll surprise people with how much he challenges her, but she'd have to do something horrific to lose the lead she has. Republicans don't stand a chance with the current demographics no matter who they run.

Risay117 · June 27, 2015, 02:21:59 AM

Quote from: Naoto on June 27, 2015, 02:19:52 AM

Quote from: Nuka on June 27, 2015, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there
And she's still gonna win on name recognition alone. I want Sanders, and I think he'll surprise people with how much he challenges her, but she'd have to do something horrific to lose the lead she has. Republicans don't stand a chance with the current demographics no matter who they run.

Hey Repubs could do it. The only problem they have is that they have ro go so far right in the primaries that it is hard for them to get back to course in the general. Honestly they have the latino vote just waiting for them. And they are a growing demographic.

Naoto · June 27, 2015, 02:25:56 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on June 27, 2015, 02:21:59 AM

Quote from: Naoto on June 27, 2015, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: Nuka on June 27, 2015, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there
And she's still gonna win on name recognition alone. I want Sanders, and I think he'll surprise people with how much he challenges her, but she'd have to do something horrific to lose the lead she has. Republicans don't stand a chance with the current demographics no matter who they run.
Hey Repubs could do it. The only problem they have is that they have ro go so far right in the primaries that it is hard for them to get back to course in the general. Honestly they have the latino vote just waiting for them. And they are a growing demographic.

Barring a Dem fucking up, they can't. They'll get trounced again. They need to shed the old guard and modernize, but that's not exactly in their nature. They're on the verge of losing Texas the rate things are currently going.

Risay117 · June 27, 2015, 02:30:53 AM

Quote from: Naoto on June 27, 2015, 02:25:56 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on June 27, 2015, 02:21:59 AM
Quote from: Naoto on June 27, 2015, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: Nuka on June 27, 2015, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on June 26, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there
And she's still gonna win on name recognition alone. I want Sanders, and I think he'll surprise people with how much he challenges her, but she'd have to do something horrific to lose the lead she has. Republicans don't stand a chance with the current demographics no matter who they run.
Hey Repubs could do it. The only problem they have is that they have ro go so far right in the primaries that it is hard for them to get back to course in the general. Honestly they have the latino vote just waiting for them. And they are a growing demographic.
Barring a Dem fucking up, they can't. They'll get trounced again. They need to shed the old guard and modernize, but that's not exactly in their nature. They're on the verge of losing Texas the rate things are currently going.

Well i feel Jeb Bush may have some hope. Honestly the taste of another Bush in office may come of bad for kany but he can do it.

The glasses and his persona is quite different to his brother while at the same time his marriage to a latino and his ability to speak their language gives him the ability to help slowly pivot the party. And bring the latino vote under them. Remember latinos are conservatives. The only reason they support dems is because of the repub xenophobic policies. Jeb could do it.

Also i just feel like the timing for him to join is quite deliberate. Not too early, when the memories are fresh and not too late for another repub to take the spotlight.

Jono · June 27, 2015, 04:43:35 AM

DONALD TRUMP/VINNIE MAC 2016

DAS B00T x2 · June 27, 2015, 10:06:51 AM

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She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there

New York really loves her.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 27, 2015, 11:04:08 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · June 27, 2015, 11:05:06 AM

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She gonna win anyway
most liberals don't even want her, everyone knows she's one of the most corrupt politicians out there
New York really loves her.
New York isn't part of America, silly

God, do I wish.