Skips a critical caveat: "if Palestinians reject incitement and recognize the legitimacy of Israel"

We should really just let Shlomo ethnically cleanse the whole middle east for us.

The president acknowledging that they need to go is a start though.

West Bank is bigger than Gaza and run by Fatah, a leftist socialist party why is that still occupied? Forget Gaza.

Oy vey goyim! This comment is like a second Shoah!

Ridiculous.

The Palestinians shouldn't have had to cede any land to Israel. Especially not their "historical" leadership, who lived through seeing European Jews show up, occupy their land, deny their heritage and establish an ethnostate.

The Israeli leadership was trying to barter with land that did not belong to it. Imagine if you showed up in my house, stole all of my fucking clothes, then offered to give a third of my clothes back if I stopped trying to kick your ass. No, fuck you, I want all of my clothes back, faggot.

Even today, the Palestinians have no reason to acknowledge the "legitimacy" of Israel other than the fact that they are vastly outgunned.

The only reason the two state solution should even be an option is that the Israelis have settled in and raised two or three generations of kids, so forcing them out would be a humanitarian crime as great as those Israel committed. Frankly, I can understand why the Palestinians would rather commit those crimes than take the high road and let ethnocentrist fucking nazis run them out of their homeland.

The Palestinians shouldn't have had to cede any land to Israel. Especially not their "historical" leadership, who lived through seeing European Jews show up, occupy their land, deny their heritage and establish an ethnostate.

Whether they actually have to or should not have to are different questions. Israel exists, and opining on how Jews never should've emigrated to the Palestine region from the 1880s onwards isn't contributory.

My position is, right or wrong, Israel exists whether we like that or not and a two-state solution is the most workable outcome we have. The main obstacle to a two-state solution is Hamas. The support of which, I might add, along with hostile sentiments towards Israel among Palestinians, is falling.

The Israeli leadership was trying to barter with land that did not belong to it.

The original plan, drawn up by the Peel Commission, would've given the Jews 20% of the land of Palestine. Constituted mainly by a northern enclave of the territory where most of the Jews were in the first place. The Arab Higher Committee rejected it. They later rejected a plan in 1946, which gave 55% of the land to the Jews. And following the 1948 war the Israelis controlled 60% of the land that the Palestinians would've otherwise had in the recent rejected proposal.

The Palestinians had no land, independence, self-determination or anything else that you value prior to the establishment of Israel. They were oppressed under the Ottomans, and the first time they were properly recognised as a nation was following the 1917 Balfour Declaration. The Palestinians were oppressed under Egypt following the 1948 War, and then effectively liberated when the Israeli's took Gaza from the Egyptians and pursued the secular PLO on the grounds that it didn't recognise Israel as a legitimate state. Going so far as to help the Palestinians build mosques.

Even today, the Palestinians have no reason to acknowledge the "legitimacy" of Israel other than the fact that they are vastly outgunned.

Palestinian Arabs are allowed to serve in the Knesset and the Supreme Court, indeed they do. Palestinian Arabs in Gaza are subjected to theocracy, militancy and the rule of a highly aggressive terrorist organisation. Support for Hamas is dwindling, and ill sentiment towards Israel is also falling among Palestinians. I mean, it was falling throughout Operation Cast Lead of all times.

Palestinians in the region are becoming less and less enamoured with the idea of abolishing Israel as a state, and fewer and fewer of them are supporting fundamentalist militant organisations like Hamas. A two-state solution is slowly becoming more feasible, and it looks rather unlikely that the region will be reduced to the tribalistic politics of ethnic self-determination that you seem to want it to be.

Frankly, I can understand why the Palestinians would rather commit those crimes than take the high road and let ethnocentrist fucking nazis run them out of their homeland.

They don't.

I don't see why the locals should've been fine with giving up even 20% of the land, frankly.

Neither do I; my claim is merely that the actions of the Arab Higher Committee, the Grand Mufti and anti-Semitic Palestinians who engaged in riots and killed Jews certainly did not make the situation any more agreeable.

Were they morally required to give up 20% of their land? I'm inclined to say no, although I can understand why the Jews of the region desired their own state. Would the situation be immensely better today had they agreed to give them that land? I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be.

But then hindsight is 20/20.

The Aztecs oppressed all of their Mezoamerican neighbors prior to the arrival of the Spanish, but we don't pretend the Spaniards were good guys, either.

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And black Rhodesians were allowed to participate in the government of that state, but we don't pretend it wasn't an unfair colonial system.

Israel is certainly not innocent of crimes; namely the building of settlements in the West Bank, and the use of white phosphorous. But to call them a colonial state is something I find difficult to do; they lifted the Palestinians from under the oppression of Egypt following the Six-Day War, only pursued the secular PLO and went insofar as to help the Muslim Brotherhood build mosques and establish nurseries.

Israel engages in aggressive counter-terrorism. Not colonialism.

Ethnonationalism is, after all, the entire reason Israel exists.

Due in no small part to ethnonationalism on the part of the Palestinians at the time, and Hamas today. If ethnonationalism is truly what you oppose, I don't see how you can--at least seem too--consider Israel as on an equal moral plane to Hamas.