Terrorist attack in Brussels, 26 killed 100+ injured

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 22, 2016, 05:04:02 PM

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Verbatim · March 22, 2016, 05:05:13 PM

Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on March 22, 2016, 05:02:36 PM

Let's get serious. I fucking hate the word "islamophobia". It's an invented word

All words are invented.

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meant to deflect criticism of Islam and to shut down arguments.

No, it's meant to describe bigots who are prejudiced against Muslims on the basis of being Muslim.

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Who cares if you hate Islam?

Nobody. That's not what islamaphobia means.

TheOneTrueDesticle · March 22, 2016, 05:07:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 22, 2016, 05:05:13 PM

Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on March 22, 2016, 05:02:36 PM
Let's get serious. I fucking hate the word "islamophobia". It's an invented word
All words are invented.
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meant to deflect criticism of Islam and to shut down arguments.
No, it's meant to describe bigots who are prejudiced against Muslims on the basis of being Muslim.
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Who cares if you hate Islam?
Nobody. That's not what islamaphobia means.

Then tell me what it means to you.

Also please don't pull this "all words are invented" shit because it's just pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. It's not productive.

Jocephalopod · March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM

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Elai · March 22, 2016, 07:35:33 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM

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I literally sat on that exact bench when I was there.

This is so fucked up.

Sandtrap · March 22, 2016, 07:50:20 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 22, 2016, 07:35:33 PM

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I literally sat on that exact bench when I was there.

This is so fucked up.

Something to consider lucky then. You dodged a bullet.

Elai · March 22, 2016, 08:17:59 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 22, 2016, 07:50:20 PM

Something to consider lucky then. You dodged a bullet.

You said it.

Batch · March 22, 2016, 09:55:54 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM

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On mobile so it wont load, what does it show?

big sponge · March 22, 2016, 10:07:34 PM

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Quote from: Jocephalopod on March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
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On mobile so it wont load, what does it show?

aftermath footage of the attacks

More Than Mortal · March 22, 2016, 10:08:45 PM

Quote from: Batch on March 22, 2016, 09:55:54 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
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On mobile so it wont load, what does it show?

Debris. Injured people. Bodies. People leaving the airport, apparently dazed. Human suffering.

It looks like a warzone.

Batch · March 22, 2016, 10:09:23 PM

Quote from: LC on March 22, 2016, 10:07:34 PM

Quote from: Batch on March 22, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on March 22, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=112_1458660549
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f0_1458652897
On mobile so it wont load, what does it show?

aftermath footage of the attacks

Hope it isnt gruesome, but with these terrorist bastards I know what to expect by now.

Luciana · March 22, 2016, 11:22:20 PM

Quote from: Mordo on March 22, 2016, 10:36:42 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 22, 2016, 10:19:37 AM
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The cucks are out in full force.

"yeah multiple terrorist attacks within the space of a year, thousands dead but can we please chill out with the islamophobia for two seconds jeez"
When large attacks start occurring on the daily, and millions of people are dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists, then maybe you could justify hating Muslims for the sake of being Muslims. But nope, not now. There's still a billion moderates.

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I know lots of people who live in Brussels, Flee included. I can only hope they're all safe.
The argument has never been about bashing Muslims simply for being Muslims, and I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of regressive leftists framing it like it somehow is.

Islam is the youngest of the three Abrahamic religions and it's yet to go through a period of reformation as Christianity and Judaism did. When terrorists cite the Qu'ran (there is only one by the way, there is no Qu'ran 2.0 that is exclusive to peaceful Muslims) as justification for honour killings, suicide bombings and any of the other despicable shit they do and you fucks sit around, stick your fingers in your ears and blame it all on some pseudo political destabilization bullshit that's when I know society is truly fucking lost.

Well that's what you get when you have a religion that was founded by a Warlord and hasn't gone through a renaissance. Much easier to manipulate it's teachings.

Also, obligatory

RELIGION OF PEACE post here

Jono · March 22, 2016, 11:39:14 PM

Its time to bring out those B-52s the Air Force planned on using against ISIS and start bringing the pain

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 22, 2016, 11:40:39 PM

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Luciana · March 22, 2016, 11:56:17 PM

When I say renaissance, I mean just it being re-written and re-taught to fit a more modern age and modern way of thinking. The book is still written in the exact text it was when it was first around. That simply can't happen. If the Old Testament was still being taught, along with its practices, things would be a little odd.

Islam as a whole is very archaic and that's bad if you ask me.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 23, 2016, 12:16:49 AM

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Luciana · March 23, 2016, 12:39:01 AM

Wasn't the Judaism thing already refuted on like page 1 or something?

And no, I think because it's so old and outdated, it's easier to manipulate. That's all I'm saying. Romans aren't around, so there is no point in referencing them.

Rome is a good HBO show though, I like your avatar.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 23, 2016, 12:58:24 AM

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Verbatim · March 23, 2016, 01:52:44 AM

Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on March 22, 2016, 05:07:34 PM

Then tell me what it means to you.

Also please don't pull this "all words are invented" shit because it's just pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. It's not productive.

I just told you what it means--it's a word used to describe people who are prejudiced against Muslims, similar to anti-Semitism. You can hate and criticize Islam all you want, but once you start calling for all Muslims to be killed and shit, then we have a problem. And there are crazy fucks in society who think all Muslims need to be put to death just for being Muslim.

The reason I brought up the FACT that all words are invented is because I don't understand your point in describing islamaphobia as an "invented" word. So what? Does that de-legitimize the word to you? Why point that out?

Sandtrap · March 23, 2016, 02:06:59 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 23, 2016, 01:52:44 AM

Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on March 22, 2016, 05:07:34 PM
Then tell me what it means to you.

Also please don't pull this "all words are invented" shit because it's just pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. It's not productive.
I just told you what it means--it's a word used to describe people who are prejudiced against Muslims, similar to anti-Semitism. You can hate and criticize Islam all you want, but once you start calling for all Muslims to be killed and shit, then we have a problem. And there are crazy fucks in society who think all Muslims need to be put to death just for being Muslim.

The reason I brought up the FACT that all words are invented is because I don't understand your point in describing islamaphobia as an "invented" word. So what? Does that de-legitimize the word to you? Why point that out?

See, now that's the proper "on paper" definition of the term. But the problem once again is that people sensationalize shit. For example. My personal stance at the moment on the muslim community is that I have no beef with them. I'm not going to go out of my way and bring them down and call for death and shit like that.

But at the same time, I'm cautious and worried. Because how do I know? How am I going to know that the smiling and clearly islamic man of faith coming at me down the street isn't ready to hit the trigger on a vest or pull out a weapon? And you can't say that it's an irrational fear or worry because that's the exact tactic being used to kill people in the first place, apart from blunt, straight up force. Sleeper agents are fucking awful.

Now, if I were to mention that to anybody around me, I'd be called islamaphoboic. In fact I have.

But the reality is there. It's ugly, but it's there. It's exactly what Canada did in the second world war when the japanese declared themselves as enemies. Canada rounded up japanese citizens and detained them for the same reasons and thoughts I mentioned.

You don't know. And do you really want to take the risk?

To me, my point of view doesn't sound like Islamaphobia. But media and people being the sensationalist over the top bleeding hearts that they are have to go and declare any dissent whatsoever as "islamaphobia." Thereby silencing people bringing up valid points, and doing more harm than good.

TheOneTrueDesticle · March 23, 2016, 02:56:36 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 23, 2016, 01:52:44 AM

Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on March 22, 2016, 05:07:34 PM
Then tell me what it means to you.

Also please don't pull this "all words are invented" shit because it's just pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. It's not productive.
once you start calling for all Muslims to be killed and shit, then we have a problem.

You can say far tamer shit than that (including criticism of just the ideology itself) and still be accused of being "islamophobic"

It's a shitty buzzword as far as I'm concerned.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 23, 2016, 03:19:46 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · March 23, 2016, 07:16:28 AM

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Quote from: Luciana on March 22, 2016, 11:56:17 PM
That simply can't happen. If the Old Testament was still being taught, along with its practices, things would be a little odd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

And doesn't everyone hate the super orthodox Jews who scream "Anuddah Shoah" when someone tries to tell them that women are equal beings?

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Cindy · March 23, 2016, 07:25:34 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 23, 2016, 02:06:59 AM

But at the same time, I'm cautious and worried. Because how do I know? How am I going to know that the smiling and clearly islamic man of faith coming at me down the street isn't ready to hit the trigger on a vest or pull out a weapon? And you can't say that it's an irrational fear or worry because that's the exact tactic being used to kill people in the first place, apart from blunt, straight up force. Sleeper agents are fucking awful.

How do you know that the big black dude coming down the street isn't going to mug you and steal your car?

How do you know the scrawny looking, bullied white kid isn't gonna start shooting up a school?

How do you know that the pudgy, low-income, older man isn't gonna try to rape your little sister?

How does a woman know that the guy chatting her up in a bar won't spike her drink and rape her in the bathroom?

How do you know the bald guy in the bus near you isn't actually a neo-nazi who's going to gun down everyone in the vehicle?

I can say it's an irrational fear and I will say that it's an irrational fear. Why is it that when a member of one demographic that is more "familiar" commits a crime then he's an outlier, but if it's something vaguely foreign or different then suddenly none can be trusted?

A year or two back, everyone mocked that commonly-passed-around image among the tumblr feminists that was the whole "a bowl of M&M's is in front of you, and 10% are poisoned. Go ahead, take a handful and eat it - not all men are rapists" - and I agree, it was an absolutely ridiculous sentiment. So why is it that the same people who mocked that sentiment apply the exact same line of thought to Muslims in the event of terrorist attacks?

And yes, I do realize that a religion and a gender are two very different things, but the ideal of the two is the same. "This group has a higher chance of hurting me, statistically, and so I should be afraid of all members of this group because they have a chance at hurting me."

DAS B00T x2 · March 23, 2016, 07:38:53 AM

Quote from: Cindy on March 23, 2016, 07:25:34 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 23, 2016, 02:06:59 AM
But at the same time, I'm cautious and worried. Because how do I know? How am I going to know that the smiling and clearly islamic man of faith coming at me down the street isn't ready to hit the trigger on a vest or pull out a weapon? And you can't say that it's an irrational fear or worry because that's the exact tactic being used to kill people in the first place, apart from blunt, straight up force. Sleeper agents are fucking awful.
How do you know that the big black dude coming down the street isn't going to mug you and steal your car?

How do you know the scrawny looking, bullied white kid isn't gonna start shooting up a school?

How do you know that the pudgy, low-income, older man isn't gonna try to rape your little sister?

How does a woman know that the guy chatting her up in a bar won't spike her drink and rape her in the bathroom?

How do you know the bald guy in the bus near you isn't actually a neo-nazi who's going to gun down everyone in the vehicle?

I can say it's an irrational fear and I will say that it's an irrational fear. Why is it that when a member of one demographic that is more "familiar" commits a crime then he's an outlier, but if it's something vaguely foreign or different then suddenly none can be trusted?

A year or two back, everyone mocked that commonly-passed-around image among the tumblr feminists that was the whole "a bowl of M&M's is in front of you, and 10% are poisoned. Go ahead, take a handful and eat it - not all men are rapists" - and I agree, it was an absolutely ridiculous sentiment. So why is it that the same people who mocked that sentiment apply the exact same line of thought to Muslims in the event of terrorist attacks?

And yes, I do realize that a religion and a gender are two very different things, but the ideal of the two is the same. "This group has a higher chance of hurting me, statistically, and so I should be afraid of all members of this group because they have a chance at hurting me."

This is why we all need to take steps and precautions to ensure that we can protect ourselves from anyone.
Criminals gonna crime and terrorists gonna terrorize. You don't know who they are or what they look like, you can only hope that you're prepared for when it happens.

Also, men aren't raised by doctrine telling them to rape women. Non-American Muslims are raised to hate the west.

Cindy · March 23, 2016, 07:46:46 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T 2016 on March 23, 2016, 07:38:53 AM

This is why we all need to take steps and precautions to ensure that we can protect ourselves from anyone.
Criminals gonna crime and terrorists gonna terrorize. You don't know who they are or what they look like, you can only hope that you're prepared for when it happens.

I don't disagree with this at all.

We'd probably disagree on the specifics, tho, but that's just a difference in ideology

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Also, men aren't raised by doctrine telling them to rape women. Non-American Muslims are raised to hate the west.

Eh, on that first point, I could argue some parts of it, but that'd be getting super far off topic so I'm not gonna.

As for the second part, again, I think that's more of a case-by-case, and has a lot more to do with the society of the world that they're raised in than it does with being Muslim. India doesn't have a huge rape problem just because of Hinduism, for example.

TheOneTrueDesticle · March 23, 2016, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: Flee on March 23, 2016, 06:39:06 AM

Pretty good article in a Belgian newspaper that I think many here would agree with. The original is in Dutch and I just ran it through Google Translate, so try not to mind the the shoddy English.

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That was the realest thing I'v read all week. Perfectly sums up my thoughts.

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