Terrorist attack in Brussels, 26 killed 100+ injured

 
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I was literally in Brussels not 3 days ago. Holy shit.


 
 
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I was literally in Brussels not 3 days ago. Holy shit.
I'm there every single day, the metro being 5 minutes from my usual route.. Surreal stuff.
How do you think this will affect Belgian politics?

Hopefully it serves as an impetus for security and intelligence reform.


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Guys, guys, what we really need is trendy hashtag on twitter that we'll forget about in a month and a guy singing "Imagine" with a guitar in the streets of Brussels while we all blithely dance around the multicultural maypole and ignore the problems staring us in the face.


 
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Prime Minister Charles Michel is speaking at a press conference in Brussels, in both French and Flemmish:

Michel announced that there will be three days of national mourning

Belgium wants to return to a normal life as soon as possible, he said.

Liberty has been struck at its heart, as it was in Paris recently, and was in in London and Madrid in the recent past, Michel said.

β€œIt is a common fight, it is a fight without borders,” Michel said. Belgium is very mobilised to succeed in the face of this tragic event, which has struck us in our hearts.

β€œWe are determined to defend our freedom,” Michel said will tears in his eyes.


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it's yet to go through a period of reformation as Christianity and Judaism did.
Not sure what you're getting at with this. The Schism wasn't openly violent, sure, but there were violent events surrounding it (Massacre of the Latins, etc). The Protestant Reformation was ridiculously violent. I don't blame Luther for all the destruction, but a ton of princes saw it as an opportunity to gain independence and liquidate sweet sweet church assets, leading to like a century of warfare, and leaving Europe's cultures divided along yet another line. Christianity pre-Reformation wasn't even close to as brutal as modern Wahhabi Islam, relative to the world around it. The truth is it was never Christianity that wasn't chill, it was the practitioners, and they just switched from killing each other for religious reasons to killing each other for various political or ideological reasons after the """""Enlightenment"""""".

And a Jewish reformation? Judaism's never had such a thing, as far as I'm aware, it's just changed over the centuries as the Jewish people's situation changed. Modern Judaism is very different from Judaism in Christ's time, for example. They never really had the opportunity for such a thing. Even today, Judaism barely exists as a religion. A ton of them, possibly the majority, don't even believe in God. In Israel the religion is more important as a component of Israeli nationalism than as a serious faith.
I'm talking about the integration and assimilation of values within Western society senpai. Islam's quite patently yet to go through that phase where their religion doesn't take precedent over Western customs, laws and values. Christianity and Judaism have.


 
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it's yet to go through a period of reformation as Christianity and Judaism did.
Not sure what you're getting at with this. The Schism wasn't openly violent, sure, but there were violent events surrounding it (Massacre of the Latins, etc). The Protestant Reformation was ridiculously violent. I don't blame Luther for all the destruction, but a ton of princes saw it as an opportunity to gain independence and liquidate sweet sweet church assets, leading to like a century of warfare, and leaving Europe's cultures divided along yet another line. Christianity pre-Reformation wasn't even close to as brutal as modern Wahhabi Islam, relative to the world around it. The truth is it was never Christianity that wasn't chill, it was the practitioners, and they just switched from killing each other for religious reasons to killing each other for various political or ideological reasons after the """""Enlightenment"""""".

And a Jewish reformation? Judaism's never had such a thing, as far as I'm aware, it's just changed over the centuries as the Jewish people's situation changed. Modern Judaism is very different from Judaism in Christ's time, for example. They never really had the opportunity for such a thing. Even today, Judaism barely exists as a religion. A ton of them, possibly the majority, don't even believe in God. In Israel the religion is more important as a component of Israeli nationalism than as a serious faith.
I'm talking about the integration and assimilation of values within Western society senpai. Islam's quite patently yet to go through that phase where their religion doesn't take precedent over Western customs, laws and values. Christianity and Judaism have.
But the values of "western" society are Christian in origin. The modern secular democracy might try to appropriate them, but their origins are invariably in this form of Christian thinking or that. The truth is, European Christianity just softened and jellified into modern secular Europe. It lost its teeth. Something similar is beginning to happen to Christianity in the US. Sad, considering how strong it was in the past. Kierkegaard warns about this "Christendom" problem.

The process is almost complete among the Jews. It is basically a non-religion at this point, more of an ethnic tradition than anything else. I've encountered exactly one genuinely religious Jew in my entire life, and I'm a fucking theatre major. Outside of the handful of Orthodox Jews in Israel, the Jewish faith has lost its fire and zeal.

Islam is interesting because different wings of it are recovering from and suffering from the problem at the same time. You'll find Muslim diaspora in Europe are far more immersed and fanatical in their religion than their cousins back home. There is a reason for this (probably involving Saudi funding), but I don't claim to know it.

The same is true of Judaism.
Right, ace stuff in the history lessons lad but kinda missing the point entirely here.


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Trump called out Brussels by name as a terriost target months ago.


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Right, ace stuff in the history lessons lad but kinda missing the point entirely here.
I just don't think the notion that Islam needs, or even hasn't had, a "reformation" is correct. Islam will never be Western in the sense that Islam will never be Christianity, and the West is at this point tied to inherently Christian notions.

Could Islam be westernized? I guess, but it'd just mean the next "problematic ideology" will pop up sooner or later.
I'm not demanding it be "westernized" or whatever you seem to think I'm getting at here. There is however, clearly a problem with how Islamic values cannot, and seemingly will not coincide with Western values and its reluctance to integrate properly. What I mean by "reformation" is that a complete behavioural change is required for Muslims to coexist peacefully with the rest of the civilized world, not in the classical sense.


 
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Trump called out Brussels by name as a terriost target months ago.

What's your point.


 
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Trump called out Brussels by name as a terriost target months ago.

What's your point.
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Trump called out Brussels by name as a terriost target months ago.

What's your point.

I saw a comic strip somewhere of Trump whispering "mexico" into the mic and having all his fans start screaming and take their tops off.

Just swap Mexico with Belgium and in the next big talk with Trump I'm sure it'll come up.



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Trump called out Brussels by name as a terriost target months ago.

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I was literally in Brussels not 3 days ago. Holy shit.
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It probably was a revenge attack for the arrest made the other day
Absolutely 100% this. I found out about it late last night and that was the first thing that came to mind.


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The argument has never been about bashing Muslims simply for being Muslims
I'm just saying. That's what islamophobia means, and if that's not what your argument is about, then you're good in my book.

I fucking hate Islam from the very bottom of my heart, and with every attack, it sinks even further. But you'll never see me say "fuck Muslims" or "fuck Islamists." Even if they attacked my home state. I'm not a reactionary and I never will be.
Let's get serious. I fucking hate the word "islamophobia". It's an invented word meant to deflect criticism of Islam and to shut down arguments. It's fucking ridiculous. Nobody can have a real discussion about the issues with Islam right now without someone flinging that word.

Who cares if you hate Islam? It's a cancerous religion like all others. People aren't speaking out against it because they don't want to be accused of being racist?. It's a goddamn joke.