>Greece

Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 01:44:30 AM

Greece asks public agencies to hand over reserve cash

It's so sad that all of this is happening to Greece and many other European countries right now. And Greece is such a beautiful country on top of it all. Syntagma Square (the place depicted on the picture) is an incredible place. :/

YO ISARA! You ever been to Syntagma Square? It's really freaking nice down there.

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challengerX · April 21, 2015, 03:28:05 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 03:28:54 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 21, 2015, 03:28:05 AM

Greece is disgusting.

Fucking kill yourself.

challengerX · April 21, 2015, 03:36:42 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 03:38:06 AM

Quote from: challengerX on April 21, 2015, 03:36:42 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 03:28:54 AM
Quote from: challengerX on April 21, 2015, 03:28:05 AM
Greece is disgusting.
Fucking kill yourself.
You make me sick

Oh yes. >:3

Cindy · April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM

Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."

Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM

Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."

>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.

Cindy · April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."
>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.

Yeah, no shit

Still fun to type like that if I'm making fun of Greece, though

Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 04:04:13 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."
>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.
Yeah, no shit

Still fun to type like that if I'm making fun of Greece, though

I wouldn't be surprised if Polandball was being covertly supported by Russia and Iran. >__>

Cindy · April 21, 2015, 04:05:09 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:04:13 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."
>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.
Yeah, no shit

Still fun to type like that if I'm making fun of Greece, though
I wouldn't be surprised if Polandball was being covertly supported by Russia and Iran. >__>

Not everybody with different opinions that you is being funded by the government, even if they are shit opinions

Not Comms Officer · April 21, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:05:09 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:04:13 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."
>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.
Yeah, no shit

Still fun to type like that if I'm making fun of Greece, though
I wouldn't be surprised if Polandball was being covertly supported by Russia and Iran. >__>
Not everybody with different opinions that you is being funded by the government, even if they are shit opinions

I'm not being serious....

Cindy · April 21, 2015, 04:07:29 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:05:09 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:04:13 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 21, 2015, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 21, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Greece a shit

"Germany gibe mone pls"
"Okay here's some mone pls use it good"

"Germany we spent all the mone on shit and riots pls gibe mor"
"Okay here's some more mone but that's the last of it"

"Germany we wasted all the mone again pls gibe mor"
"No Greece we told you that was all the mone and you wasted it again so no more mone"
"OMG GERMANY FUCKING NAZI BASTARDS. ANGELA MERKEL IS HITLER."
>polandball

>lol

Polandball's fucking stupid and they just circlejerk the same opinions.
Yeah, no shit

Still fun to type like that if I'm making fun of Greece, though
I wouldn't be surprised if Polandball was being covertly supported by Russia and Iran. >__>
Not everybody with different opinions that you is being funded by the government, even if they are shit opinions
I'm not being serious....

Ay m8 you never know on Sep7

The Lord Slide Rule · April 21, 2015, 07:10:11 AM

Olive niggers a shit.

Isara · April 21, 2015, 09:34:49 AM

Isn't this the serious board? Do you really think these are serious discussions and replies? They are not. I am not a mod, so take the call out with a pinch of salt, but I think this thread fails to meet the requirements to be in Serious at this rate.

So, on the actual subject; they are buying time for the negotiations. They have to do this, so it's required if they actually want to get somewhere and then at the same time the country doesn't go bankrupt. So, it's all a gamble with time, and negotiation skill. The government stated many times that it wants to pay the salaries, and pensions, plus the debts.

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An Athens-based analyst told Reuters: "This is a pre-emptive move to ensure that they will be able to secure as much liquidity as possible because of the squeeze."

It's all a game of strategy, and I do hope that it ends up in favor of the debt being paid based on the development. Meanwhile, the other parties are having fun mocking the government at actually negotiating with the EU. (Especially PASOK and ND, who are also the "main" culprits behind the current situation)

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"We all want Greece to succeed. The answer is in the hands of the Greek government."

Yeah, to succeed by further decimating the country to pay an impossible debt at this rate, and further condemning it just to keep afloat certain banks in the EU. Yeah, maybe the answer isn't just in the Greek government, maybe it can be found into not being a hypocrite and looking at how the whole EU neighborhood is a mess.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 21, 2015, 09:45:15 AM

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Isara · April 21, 2015, 09:48:17 AM

Honestly, I hear that too often wherever Greece is mentioned. This kind of anti-Greek propaganda should really stop. Just gives more credit to nationalist groups. Similarly to how some people mistook that Syriza's plan was not to pay the debt.

Quote from: Arm The Mob on April 21, 2015, 09:45:15 AM

Pay your debts, gyro eating degenerate

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · April 21, 2015, 10:06:24 AM

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More Than Mortal · April 21, 2015, 10:22:42 AM

I really do feel sorry for the Greek people who got fucked over by a profligate government, fucked over the ECB and now are being offered false hope by another profligate government.

Isara · April 22, 2015, 03:17:46 AM

Yet there are no Apple stores in Greece, despite all the iPhone users and the macs around.

Quote from: Arm The Mob on April 21, 2015, 10:06:24 AM

REMINDER THAT APPLE IS WORTH MORE THAN THE WHOLE OF GREECE

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/19/technology/apple_market_cap/index.htm

We will see about that part soon.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 21, 2015, 10:22:42 AM

are being offered false hope by another profligate government.

Not Comms Officer · April 22, 2015, 04:06:07 AM

Quote from: Isara on April 21, 2015, 09:34:49 AM

So, I want an honest opinion from you, since you're the only person in this forum currently living in Greece....

Do you think that the Greek Government is seriously trying to reform so financial crisis will never hit Greece like this again, or do you think that they are just going to try to put off reforming and just get out of the immediate crisis, then go back to their old ways?

Isara · April 22, 2015, 07:23:24 AM

I think the current government is fighting two sides; the European one that applies pressure on the government to pass policies that fit the European agenda that would further condemn Greece into a black hole, and on the other hand the internal politics that are using every chance to twist each situation to make the government look bad.

The idea is that Greece shouldn't be forced into further austerity measures, and that the debt has to be something to be paid for; but in a way that it doesn't condemn the country. There's no "old ways" since the majority of the people involved in those ways are not in power.

My worry is that, however, as soon the economy starts working again then people's mentalities will switch back into those of the past, and might even vote again for those who caused the current situation. Syriza can work all it wants, but people's mentality, and the mentality of the countries in the EU? That's something it might not achieve to change.

The current Greek government is trying, that's why I am hopeful for something to work out. That remains to be seen, however. New Democracy, PASOK and Potami have some people expecting that there will be elections in June, and they have been working too aggressively against the government in rather stupid ways.

I am not sure whether they went nuts and want to achieve power again just to sell the nation to Germany, or they have lost all sorts of credibility as diplomats and negotiators in the eyes of the rest of Europe. (Hence the current situation where Syriza is at power, and they are not)

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 22, 2015, 04:06:07 AM

Do you think that the Greek Government is seriously trying to reform so financial crisis will never hit Greece like this again, or do you think that they are just going to try to put off reforming and just get out of the immediate crisis, then go back to their old ways?

Not Comms Officer · April 22, 2015, 03:54:54 PM

Quote from: Isara on April 22, 2015, 07:23:24 AM

My worry is that, however, as soon the economy starts working again then people's mentalities will switch back into those of the past, and might even vote again for those who caused the current situation. Syriza can work all it wants, but people's mentality, and the mentality of the countries in the EU? That's something it might not achieve to change.

This is exactly what I was referring to by "old ways".

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The current Greek government is trying, that's why I am hopeful for something to work out. That remains to be seen, however. New Democracy, PASOK and Potami have some people expecting that there will be elections in June, and they have been working too aggressively against the government in rather stupid ways.

How are they convincing people that there will be elections in June!?

Isara · April 22, 2015, 03:58:28 PM

By saying it, and some people will actually believe them.

Quote from: Not Comms Officer link=topic=35294.msg677467#msg677467 date =1429736094

How are they convincing people that there will be elections in June!?

Magos Domina · April 22, 2015, 04:02:54 PM

Nothing good ever came out of Greece, even their yogurt tastes like shit.

CIS · April 22, 2015, 04:39:01 PM

Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 22, 2015, 04:02:54 PM

Nothing good ever came out of Greece, even their yogurt tastes like shit.

What about the foundations of contemporary Western society?

Not Comms Officer · April 22, 2015, 04:41:54 PM

Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 22, 2015, 04:02:54 PM

Nothing good ever came out of Greece, even their yogurt tastes like shit.

Greek food is the best food in the world.

#factz

Not Comms Officer · April 22, 2015, 04:42:31 PM

Quote from: Isara on April 22, 2015, 03:58:28 PM

By saying it, and some people will actually believe them.

Quote from: Not Comms Officer link=topic=35294.msg677467#msg677467 date =1429736094
How are they convincing people that there will be elections in June!?

What the hell is even the point of doing all of that? Won't they just lose more votes once everyone they're fooling realizes that they're lying?

Isara · April 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM

I think that the foundations from the renaissance come from Roman culture, and not the Greek one directly. Or at least, the fall of the Byzantine empire allowed the culture, and ideas to come in the west and trigger the Italian renaissance.

Quote from: Autism Lord Kenny on April 22, 2015, 04:39:01 PM

What about the foundations of contemporary Western society?

CIS · April 22, 2015, 04:44:22 PM

Quote from: Isara on April 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM

I think that the foundations from the renaissance come from Roman culture, and not the Greek one directly.

Quote from: Autism Lord Kenny on April 22, 2015, 04:39:01 PM
What about the foundations of contemporary Western society?

Roman culture was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture but you're probably right for the most part.

Isara · April 22, 2015, 04:50:18 PM

Greek culture did spread really far, especially in Middle East, but that was a really a long time ago. Perhaps some original ideas about republics came from Greece. Yet, many lessons are still valid today even from the stories from ancient Greece, and they also fueled the Roman Empire, the Byzantine one, and the current west society that was mainly affected by the Romans and the Byzatines (even after the split of the Empire)

So really, I'd give more credit to the Romans for actually making a power that established military outposts, roads, a common currency, language and culture. I also don't really think that the Byzantines are to be considered mainly Greek; at that point in time the region was heavily affected by Greek culture, and many different people spoke Greek since it was what English is today for us. Yet, they were still different people under Roman bureaucrats, with Greek culture.

When the renaissance came the remnants of the Byzantine Roman-Greek culture are what fed it. So, it's just shades of ancient west culture that fueled the west; not Greece or the Greek people exclusively. Republics or well, democracies, were also very dysfunctional, and still are today.

Yet, I think what makes us the West today is the industrial revolution. That changed people's minds, it formed many different ideologies of how the power of an industrial nation can be harnessed, just like the struggle of profiteering from colonies with precious spices or gold, and using the local populace as servants-- using machines and laborers changed the game completely.

By the early 1800's more rural nations such as China were centuries behind in society just because they didn't go through the industrial revolution that changed people's minds.

Quote from: Autism Lord Kenny on April 22, 2015, 04:44:22 PM

Roman culture was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture but you're probably right for the most part.