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If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
I never got this with 'pride parades'. If you are born this way, what exactly are you proud of? Now if you live like this by choice then you can be proud of it, because you chose to do so.

Like I cannot be proud to have two testicle. I was born with them.
Becausr for years and years until very recent history, society has told us that being anything but heterosexual is incorrect amd shameful. The community, having overcome this, has something to be prideful of.


 
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If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
I never got this with 'pride parades'. If you are born this way, what exactly are you proud of? Now if you live like this by choice then you can be proud of it, because you chose to do so.

Like I cannot be proud to have two testicle. I was born with them.
do you feel the same way about patriotism
Being patriotic is a choice. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Do you mean how someone is proud of the country they are born in? Or proud to have been born in their country?
patriotism can only mean the second thing

i can be proud of luxembourg for affording people the right to die, but i cannot be their patriot

i take it you wouldn't say it's rational to be a patriot then
You have to be proud of your country to be a patriot of it. You also have to push your country to be better if you are a real patriot.
I think Verb's point boils down to "you think it's ridiculous for these people to be proud of who they just happen to be, so do you also think it's ridiculous to be proud of your country when you did absolutely nothing to make it what it currently is and never chose your place of birth?"


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If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
I never got this with 'pride parades'. If you are born this way, what exactly are you proud of? Now if you live like this by choice then you can be proud of it, because you chose to do so.

Like I cannot be proud to have two testicle. I was born with them.
it's standing up and taking pride in who you are in the face of being hated and put down for it, it ain't that fucking hard & it's the also the reason why we do not need "straight pride parades" or whatever dumb shit


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Now he's just gay
If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body, but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
berzerk honestly who the fuck lets you near a computer
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Talk about bad analogies...
it's hyperbole you dip
Its a bad analogy you fu

He wrote a memo, write one back.


NOPE. Lets fire him. Therefore we teach him that his ideas were correct, but we do not want them here. People who agreed with him will resume thinking like him but will not speak out their mind in fears of being fired. they will spread their ideas anonymously, they will teach their children to think like them etc.

Ideal scenario - they show him why some of his ideas are wrong. He learns, everyone around the company learns too.

To eliminate a bad idea, you have to present a better one - not throw the bad one away.


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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
I never got this with 'pride parades'. If you are born this way, what exactly are you proud of? Now if you live like this by choice then you can be proud of it, because you chose to do so.

Like I cannot be proud to have two testicle. I was born with them.
do you feel the same way about patriotism
Being patriotic is a choice. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Do you mean how someone is proud of the country they are born in? Or proud to have been born in their country?
patriotism can only mean the second thing

i can be proud of luxembourg for affording people the right to die, but i cannot be their patriot

i take it you wouldn't say it's rational to be a patriot then
You have to be proud of your country to be a patriot of it. You also have to push your country to be better if you are a real patriot.
i'm failing to see why this means you can't or shouldn't be proud of your sexuality

you don't choose your sexuality, sure, but you don't choose where you're born either

there are lots of things we're "proud" of that we don't necessarily choose, so it just seems like you're trying to apply an arbitrary standard where there doesn't necessarily need to be one
There needs to be a reason you are proud of something. Some sort of achievement.
Otherwise its just egotism? Look at how great I am for doing fuck all.


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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
If he said this ten-17 years ago would he have gotten fired over it? To me the reason why is due to this "social justice warrior" mentality we have now. It's a different subject to talk about, but I'm going to bring up Gone Home. If that game came out ten years earlier as well than it most likely would have been considered mediocre, which it is and it wouldn't have been getting the praise it's getting now. As a society we are now getting butthurt over the littlest of things and we are praising things or people like Bruce Jenner simply because they involve the LGBT. There is nothing heroic about what Bruce Jenner did to his body but people are considering him "heroic" all because he got a sex change.
I never got this with 'pride parades'. If you are born this way, what exactly are you proud of? Now if you live like this by choice then you can be proud of it, because you chose to do so.

Like I cannot be proud to have two testicle. I was born with them.
Becausr for years and years until very recent history, society has told us that being anything but heterosexual is incorrect amd shameful. The community, having overcome this, has something to be prideful of.
So gay pride is gays being proud that they made society accept them?


 
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Talk about bad analogies...
it's hyperbole you dip
Its a bad analogy you fu

He wrote a memo, write one back.


NOPE. Lets fire him. Therefore we teach him that his ideas were correct, but we do not want them here. People who agreed with him will resume thinking like him but will not speak out their mind in fears of being fired. they will spread their ideas anonymously, they will teach their children to think like them etc.

Ideal scenario - they show him why some of his ideas are wrong. He learns, everyone around the company learns too.

To eliminate a bad idea, you have to present a better one - not throw the bad one away.
That's presuming that they fired him solely for the content of his ideas and not the consequences, which I'd say is pretty ridiculous.


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See guys, this is what I'm talking about.

You responded to my shit, questioned it. Made me think about what I said and I leaned something new.

If this was Google, you would have banned my ass.


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Google is far too big and powerful. They need to be broken up for the good of mankind.


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1 hour between the time the video was posted and the Twitter ban, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.


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I find it funny how Adam Fletcher makes laughably stupid comments like that, as if he somehow knows if someone is a hostile voice going into an interview. Either he's being incredibly invasive and digging up shit on people before he hires/moves someone to his teams (which I'm sure breaks numerous workplace safety laws), if not then he has no fucking idea and this comment comes off as thuggish and hostile, which does nothing to help his company which has already been suffering a PR disaster for almost half a year now.

I just wish people like him understood that they'll never, ever ban all views you don't like. I mean, what's the point in even fucking living in a world like that? It's just so hilariously stupid....



1 hour between the time the video was posted and the Twitter ban, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
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I don't see why people have a problem with diversity in the first place.


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Big companies have always been good ol' boys' clubs, with hires being hinged on word of mouth reputations from other places; it's just weird to see it swing to the other end of the social spectrum for Google.


 
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He posted it to the whole company.

The. Whole. Company.

Of course he got fired.
Funny how that little detail isn't one of the first things shared

but people try to look offended about "my free speech!!!" even though those same idiots don't understand that does NOT apply to private companies and is only there to ensure the US Government doesn't infringe on it.

People act like he said something reasonable or something subject to actual intelligent debate. You can't really debate something like that with reason when the person just trots out the gate with something so mind numbingly backward. Best you can do is say "you're wrong and here is why", or ask him to come up with whatever proof he can muster, but even then for a massive company like that to indulge him on it would be stupid too.
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I don't see why people have a problem with diversity in the first place.
White genocide

shitty cultures

etc


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It's not so much that diversity is a problem, but so much as companies turning it into one. Apple (rightfully) got some shit for it a few years back.

YouTube


I don't see why people have a problem with diversity in the first place.


 
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To be fair, I really don't see whats wrong with companies hiring those that reflect the nation they are based in

but if you're throwing some kind of bias/racism/affirmative action in hiring, then yeah that's bad


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Really more of a PR move if anything.


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I find it funny how Adam Fletcher makes laughably stupid comments like that, as if he somehow knows if someone is a hostile voice going into an interview. Either he's being incredibly invasive and digging up shit on people before he hires/moves someone to his teams (which I'm sure breaks numerous workplace safety laws), if not then he has no fucking idea and this comment comes off as thuggish and hostile, which does nothing to help his company which has already been suffering a PR disaster for almost half a year now.

I just wish people like him understood that they'll never, ever ban all views you don't like. I mean, what's the point in even fucking living in a world like that? It's just so hilariously stupid....



1 hour between the time the video was posted and the Twitter ban, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Isn't it great to know that we are back to the 1950s with blacklists?


 
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I find it funny how Adam Fletcher makes laughably stupid comments like that, as if he somehow knows if someone is a hostile voice going into an interview. Either he's being incredibly invasive and digging up shit on people before he hires/moves someone to his teams (which I'm sure breaks numerous workplace safety laws), if not then he has no fucking idea and this comment comes off as thuggish and hostile, which does nothing to help his company which has already been suffering a PR disaster for almost half a year now.

I just wish people like him understood that they'll never, ever ban all views you don't like. I mean, what's the point in even fucking living in a world like that? It's just so hilariously stupid....



1 hour between the time the video was posted and the Twitter ban, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Isn't it great to know that we are back to the 1950s with blacklists?
How so?


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I don't see why people have a problem with diversity in the first place.
No one does. His memo was just trying to explain why there isn't a 50/50 gender split in tech.

> Be Google
> Have a diversity department
> Someone writes a memo about diversity
> Gets fired


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I find it funny how Adam Fletcher makes laughably stupid comments like that, as if he somehow knows if someone is a hostile voice going into an interview. Either he's being incredibly invasive and digging up shit on people before he hires/moves someone to his teams (which I'm sure breaks numerous workplace safety laws), if not then he has no fucking idea and this comment comes off as thuggish and hostile, which does nothing to help his company which has already been suffering a PR disaster for almost half a year now.

I just wish people like him understood that they'll never, ever ban all views you don't like. I mean, what's the point in even fucking living in a world like that? It's just so hilariously stupid....



1 hour between the time the video was posted and the Twitter ban, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Isn't it great to know that we are back to the 1950s with blacklists?
How so?

This Adam Fletcher individual (who now is a CEO of another software company) has publicly stated (see above image) that he would never work with/employ certain individuals regardless of their merit. 


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Things should be alright as long as the individual keeps their work/personal life separate. For example, no one is going to higher someone who walks into the office with an SS uniform. But on the same token, if a person is posting anonymously on Stormfront and has no linkage to their work, that is of ZERO concern to the company they work for.

Adam may want there to be a connection so that he can feel morally superior by never interacting with them, but it will never happen. Which is why his comments just come off as stupid instead of actually threatening.

This Adam Fletcher individual (who now is a CEO of another software company) has publicly stated (see above image) that he would never work with/employ certain individuals regardless of their merit.
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
He posted it to the whole company.

The. Whole. Company.

Of course he got fired.
Funny how that little detail isn't one of the first things shared

but people try to look offended about "my free speech!!!" even though those same idiots don't understand that does NOT apply to private companies and is only there to ensure the US Government doesn't infringe on it.

People act like he said something reasonable or something subject to actual intelligent debate. You can't really debate something like that with reason when the person just trots out the gate with something so mind numbingly backward. Best you can do is say "you're wrong and here is why", or ask him to come up with whatever proof he can muster, but even then for a massive company like that to indulge him on it would be stupid too.
I dont think anyone here is going on about frozen peaches in any grand fashion... but no, coorperations cannot just do whatever they want and there are certain labor standards that they need to abide by.


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He posted it to the whole company.

The. Whole. Company.

Of course he got fired.
Funny how that little detail isn't one of the first things shared

but people try to look offended about "my free speech!!!" even though those same idiots don't understand that does NOT apply to private companies and is only there to ensure the US Government doesn't infringe on it.

People act like he said something reasonable or something subject to actual intelligent debate. You can't really debate something like that with reason when the person just trots out the gate with something so mind numbingly backward. Best you can do is say "you're wrong and here is why", or ask him to come up with whatever proof he can muster, but even then for a massive company like that to indulge him on it would be stupid too.

This is a completely moot point. Just because the First Amendment doesn't apply to corporations does not mean they are incapable of being oppressive and censorious institutions; and whatever one might think of the arguments presented is irrelevant to the overall idea that a company like Google--a company that wields enormous influence over public opinion and what information the public sees--ought to have an open intellectual environment. Moreover, I am certain you would be taking the opposite route if this sort of social environment in tech and counterculture that we're seeing today wasn't to the benefit of progressive ideology.


 
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I should clarify in that I do think there should be ethics and standards, but my main things I thought of (but failed to express I suppose) is that when companies fire people for saying inflammatory things, it seems people say it's oppression of free speech, which it really isn't. Maybe this specific case could have been handled better, yeah, but sending it to everyone was also a big mistake as well. Maybe a suspension would have been better?

That being said, it's not about progressive or not to me. I'm not as liberal as you people honestly paint me out to be. I hate to play the "on the fence" person, but I can despise the progressive left just as much as the right, honestly. Why? Because it seems the further left you get, the more it blurs the line between protection/equality of minorities and suppressing opinions you might not agree with. At least with social progressive things. I'm easily on the left with economic issues.

I don't need to explain the right.
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I should clarify in that I do think there should be ethics and standards, but my main things I thought of (but failed to express I suppose) is that when companies fire people for saying inflammatory things, it seems people say it's oppression of free speech, which it really isn't. Maybe this specific case could have been handled better, yeah, but sending it to everyone was also a big mistake as well. Maybe a suspension would have been better?

That being said, it's not about progressive or not to me. I'm not as liberal as you people honestly paint me out to be. I hate to play the "on the fence" person, but I can despise the progressive left just as much as the right, honestly. Why? Because it seems the further left you get, the more it blurs the line between protection/equality of minorities and suppressing opinions you might not agree with. At least with social progressive things. I'm easily on the left with economic issues.

I don't need to explain the right.

That's fair enough. I apologize for any inflammatory language.


 
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I apologize for any inflammatory language.
Idk if you're saying that cuz I said it too lol (I know you mean it), but it made me laugh.

Danke.

Also no worries. I don't really talk much about where I stand on things here.


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Things should be alright as long as the individual keeps their work/personal life separate. For example, no one is going to higher someone who walks into the office with an SS uniform. But on the same token, if a person is posting anonymously on Stormfront and has no linkage to their work, that is of ZERO concern to the company they work for.

Adam may want there to be a connection so that he can feel morally superior by never interacting with them, but it will never happen. Which is why his comments just come off as stupid instead of actually threatening.

This Adam Fletcher individual (who now is a CEO of another software company) has publicly stated (see above image) that he would never work with/employ certain individuals regardless of their merit.

I get that companies don't want employees representing them in a bad light and they have every right to remove someone who does. However, even if this is a joke it's scary. What I'm scared for is the false negatives.