Glenn Beck's most recent book: "It IS About Islam"

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · October 12, 2015, 10:07:24 AM

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Mordo · October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:58:04 AM

You guys are just racist

Islam isn't a race you dolt.

I'm sick of this fucking conflation between religion and ethnicity.

I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.

October 12, 2015, 10:10:05 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 10:05:25 AM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
The cuckoldry in this thread...

Holy shit lol
I hate when words get twisted and distorted beyond anything close to what they originally meant
Yeah and I hate when people shill for a religion based upon hate and violence.

two wrongs don't make a right

More Than Mortal · October 12, 2015, 10:12:40 AM

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This extremist minority meme has to stop.
Oh my god fuck off

I was taking your posts seriously and considering your points until I saw this

anyone who calls random shit memes is a waste of space. Drink bleach. "Meme" isnt just a word you tack on to the end of arguments to sound cool and superior.
Oh so I guess you can just disregard all my points because I said a word that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Just come out of the progressive closet dude.
I am a progressive, lol. That's hardly a bad thing.
Okay, so political labels aside, do you have any genuine rebukes to mine and Meta's arguments that isn't just 'lol ur sauces r shit.'
That's all that needs to be said. You can't post the most biased and doctored survey in decades and expect me to take it seriously.

I posted five sources. . .

Mad Max · October 12, 2015, 10:14:02 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM

I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.

Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.

Mordo · October 12, 2015, 10:15:37 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:14:02 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.
Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.

Literally who said this.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · October 12, 2015, 10:15:48 AM

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Mad Max · October 12, 2015, 10:17:34 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:15:37 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.
Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.
Literally who said this.

Um, you?

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:25:16 AM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
78% of British Muslims think the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Muhammed should've been prosecuted.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
0% of British Muslims think homosexuality is tolerable.

And this is all from a Western democracy.

And Meta?

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.

25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.

24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.

33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.

And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.

More Than Mortal · October 12, 2015, 10:22:44 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:17:34 AM

And Meta?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.

25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.

24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.

33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.

And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.

Literally what?

Posting statistics about specific communities within the Muslim population means I'm talking about the population as a whole? As opposed to, y'know, the communities to which those statistics refer?

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 10:26:11 AM

You HAVE made horrible statements referring to the population as a whole in the past.

More Than Mortal · October 12, 2015, 10:27:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 10:26:11 AM

You HAVE made horrible statements referring to the population as a whole in the past.

When? Where?

Mad Max · October 12, 2015, 10:28:54 AM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 10:22:44 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:17:34 AM
And Meta?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.

25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.

24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.

33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.

And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.
Literally what?

Posting statistics about specific communities within the Muslim population means I'm talking about the population as a whole? As opposed to, y'know, the communities to which those statistics refer?

If your purpose in posting those statistics wasn't to indicate that being Muslim means you are a threat, and/or you sympathize with what extremists have done, then what was your point in posting it?

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 10:30:03 AM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 10:27:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
You HAVE made horrible statements referring to the population as a whole in the past.
When? Where?

Early threads I'm sure you've either grown out of or were just being hyperbolic. The point being, I wouldn't put it past you to make such statements, and I can't blame anyone for really thinking that you would.

More Than Mortal · October 12, 2015, 10:31:56 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:28:54 AM

If your purpose in posting those statistics wasn't to indicate that being Muslim means you are a threat, and/or you sympathize with what extremists have done, then what was your point in posting it?

Class literally claimed extremists/fundamentalists constitute "a fraction of a percent" of Muslims. The question isn't whether being a Muslim necessarily makes you a threat, it's about the magnitude of threatening Muslims.

More Than Mortal · October 12, 2015, 10:33:35 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 10:30:03 AM

Early threads I'm sure you've either grown out of or were just being hyperbolic.

Not as far as I'm aware; I've never made a sweeping statement regarding all Muslims and their various characteristics unless such characteristics must be there practically by definition, such as broad things associated with religions and religious belief in general, or things like the content of scripture.

Either that, or I was joking.

Sandtrap · October 12, 2015, 10:41:39 AM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.

Now, there's something I've always wondered. You have to admit that the religion itself if rough. No denying that. There's some rough shit in the book they follow.

So, here's my thought. You have a book with some less than desirable statements telling people about how to act. The religion itself is something I might even call extremist by nature.

Yes, every religion has its shitty extremeists that take it too far. But how exactly, can you tell them apart? How can you tell who has the potential to go extremist when the religion actively promotes it? When this religion, more than others I've seen, is really heavy on the brainwashing?

🍁 Aria 🔮 · October 12, 2015, 10:42:36 AM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 10:33:35 AM

What's the migration rate from the Middle East to Bongistan? I ask because it's the general consensus that the ME is a practical breeding ground for radicalism; would the flux of immigrants affect those statistics noticeably?

Mordo · October 12, 2015, 10:44:03 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:17:34 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.
Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.
Literally who said this.
Um, you?

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
78% of British Muslims think the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Muhammed should've been prosecuted.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
0% of British Muslims think homosexuality is tolerable.

And this is all from a Western democracy.
And Meta?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.

25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.

24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.

33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.

And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.

I fail to see where I specified all Muslims within those statistics.

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 10:45:14 AM

really smart idea not to trim giant quote pyramids in this thread

PSU · October 12, 2015, 10:48:15 AM

Can't wait to read it. I love Mr. Beck.

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 10:48:53 AM

he's not gonna read it lol

Mad Max · October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:44:03 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.
Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.
Literally who said this.
Um, you?

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
78% of British Muslims think the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Muhammed should've been prosecuted.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
0% of British Muslims think homosexuality is tolerable.

And this is all from a Western democracy.
And Meta?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.

25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.

24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.

33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.

And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.
I fail to see where I specified all Muslims within those statistics.

What's the point in posting those statistics if you aren't talking about all Muslims? The discussion up to that point had been about all Muslims, and how only a small percentage of them are dangerous/a threat.

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 10:54:30 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM

What's the point in posting those statistics if you aren't talking about all Muslims? The discussion up to that point had been about all Muslims, and how only a small percentage of them are dangerous/a threat.

okay i'm sort of on your side but let's not be stupid here

the percentages cited were not small percentages, and that's why they posted them

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 12, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

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Mordo · October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM

What's the point in posting those statistics if you aren't talking about all Muslims? The discussion up to that point had been about all Muslims, and how only a small percentage of them are dangerous/a threat.

I'm simply illustrating the fact that yes, not all Muslims are inherently violent, but a majority, if not the vast majority still cling to a variety of insidious beliefs, like apostasy killings and forced marriages.

There are three tiers of Islam; The Jihadists, who I think we all agree are despicable backwards cunts that need to be eradicated from the face of the Earth, constitute a significant minority.

There's the Islamists, who don't participate in violence like the Jihadists do, but will actively support their cause, perhaps even simultaneously funding them. They also support Shariah and reject secularism. These are people like Anjem Choudary.

Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two, and as mine and Meta's statistics demonstrate, still withhold a lot of worrying beliefs.

The secular Muslims who champion free speech like Maajid Nawaz are so far and few between that they're practically non-existent. Ultimately, my statistics are there to exemplify that just because the majority of Muslims are 'non-violent' is not a viable excuse to ignore all the other shit that goes on in the Muslim world.

October 12, 2015, 11:10:41 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

Le defending Muslims maymay xDDDD

This is the serious board bro

And stop calling random political shit memes. Memes are things like pepe and image macros, not just anything you disagree with.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 12, 2015, 11:12:43 AM

Sort of relevant here: every religion has its own shittiness-sanctioned-by-god. Why did plenty of other religions put much of that behind them, except for Islam?

I have an easier time believing that it's because the Middle East (well, to be more specific, most practitioners of the faith) hasn't had the kinds of societal advancement as other parts of the world have experienced, as opposed to it being intrinsic to Islam itself. (Religion and culture are intertwined and influence each other, after all.)

But then, that still doesn't explain why some Westerners will convert and change their views, unless grown adults are more impressionable than I realize.

PSU · October 12, 2015, 11:13:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 10:48:53 AM

he's not gonna read it lol

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 11:13:52 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

Le defending Muslims maymay xDDDD

le attacking muslims maymay

ecks-dee

Verbatim · October 12, 2015, 11:15:16 AM

Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AM

Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two

why should they have to