Our sense of belonging to the male or female gender is an inherent component of the human identity perception. As a general rule, gender identity and physical sex coincide. If this is not the case, one refers to trans-identity or transsexuality. In a current study, brain researcher Georg S. Kanz of the University Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy of the MedUni Vienna was able to demonstrate that the very personal gender identity of every human being is reflected and verifiable in the cross-links between brain regions. While the biological gender is usually manifested in the physical appearance, the individual gender identity is not immediately discernible and primarily established in the psyche of a human being. As the brain is responsible for our thoughts, feelings and actions, several research institutions worldwide are searching for the neural representation of gender identity.In a study under the guidance of Rupert Lanzenbergerof the University Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy of the MedUni Vienna published in the Journal of Neuroscience it was now possible to demonstrate neural correlates (analogies) of the identity perception in the network of the brain.Trans-gender persons as well as female and male control subjects were examined by way of diffusion-based magnetic resonance tomography (MRT). The examination revealed significant differences in the microstructure of the brain connections between male and female control subjects. Transgender persons took up a middle position between both genders. It was furthermore possible to detect a strong relationship between the microstructure connections among these networks and the testosterone level measured in the blood. Lanzenberger: "These results suggest that the gender identity is reflected in the structure of brain networks which form under the modulating influence of sex hormones in the course of the development of the nervous system."The study subsidised by the science fund FWF was conducted by the Dutch Institute for Neurosciences in Amsterdam in the context of a cooperation project between various clinics and centres of the MedUni Vienna and the brain researcher Dick F. Swaab. Researchers of the University Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy (Management: Siegfried Kasper), the Exzellenzzentrum für Hochfeldmagnetresonanz (Excellence centre for high field magnetic resonance) (Cooperation partner: Christian Windischberger, Management: Siegfried Trattnig and Ewald Moser), as well as the Universitätsklinik für Frauenheilkunde (University clinic for gynaecology) (Cooperation partner: Ulrike Kaufmann, Management: Peter Wolf Husslein) were involved.
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 01:06:46 PMACKCHYUALLYIt's pretty well established, but it doesn't lay it to rest sadly.Maybe in a few years time there will be enough research out there to lead to better treatment for dysphoria, whichever way it ends up going. I wonder if it's preventable though, if it were detectable early enough (in the same way that accurate detection of ASD is getting earlier and earlier) it *might* be possible to use the plasticity to realign gender identity so that the mind matches the vessel well before cognition kicks off.Infant neurons are wonderfully malleable, so early treatment might spare the person a lot of strife in later life.Whether or not it's right to do that is another question entirely though.Only a truly evil person would want to get rid of traps
ACKCHYUALLYIt's pretty well established, but it doesn't lay it to rest sadly.Maybe in a few years time there will be enough research out there to lead to better treatment for dysphoria, whichever way it ends up going. I wonder if it's preventable though, if it were detectable early enough (in the same way that accurate detection of ASD is getting earlier and earlier) it *might* be possible to use the plasticity to realign gender identity so that the mind matches the vessel well before cognition kicks off.Infant neurons are wonderfully malleable, so early treatment might spare the person a lot of strife in later life.Whether or not it's right to do that is another question entirely though.
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 01:06:46 PMACKCHYUALLYIt's pretty well established, but it doesn't lay it to rest sadly.Maybe in a few years time there will be enough research out there to lead to better treatment for dysphoria, whichever way it ends up going. I wonder if it's preventable though, if it were detectable early enough (in the same way that accurate detection of ASD is getting earlier and earlier) it *might* be possible to use the plasticity to realign gender identity so that the mind matches the vessel well before cognition kicks off.Infant neurons are wonderfully malleable, so early treatment might spare the person a lot of strife in later life.Whether or not it's right to do that is another question entirely though.If that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?
Quote from: Velox on January 13, 2017, 02:52:31 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 01:06:46 PMACKCHYUALLYIt's pretty well established, but it doesn't lay it to rest sadly.Maybe in a few years time there will be enough research out there to lead to better treatment for dysphoria, whichever way it ends up going. I wonder if it's preventable though, if it were detectable early enough (in the same way that accurate detection of ASD is getting earlier and earlier) it *might* be possible to use the plasticity to realign gender identity so that the mind matches the vessel well before cognition kicks off.Infant neurons are wonderfully malleable, so early treatment might spare the person a lot of strife in later life.Whether or not it's right to do that is another question entirely though.If that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?I wouldn't think so. While I'm in full support of the LGBT community and their rights, I think it can be agreed that the existence of varying sexualties and gender identities is just sort of a problematic mess to begin with. Without taking this the wrong way, I think the world would be better off if gender dysphoria didn't exist, only because of the amount of suffering it causes. If it turns out this is detectable and treatable in the future at such an early stage, I think it'd be best to go through with the process. At least those are just my initial thoughts, I really have never thought about this particular idea.
Quote from: Winy on January 13, 2017, 06:00:27 PMQuote from: Velox on January 13, 2017, 02:52:31 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 01:06:46 PMACKCHYUALLYIt's pretty well established, but it doesn't lay it to rest sadly.Maybe in a few years time there will be enough research out there to lead to better treatment for dysphoria, whichever way it ends up going. I wonder if it's preventable though, if it were detectable early enough (in the same way that accurate detection of ASD is getting earlier and earlier) it *might* be possible to use the plasticity to realign gender identity so that the mind matches the vessel well before cognition kicks off.Infant neurons are wonderfully malleable, so early treatment might spare the person a lot of strife in later life.Whether or not it's right to do that is another question entirely though.If that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?I wouldn't think so. While I'm in full support of the LGBT community and their rights, I think it can be agreed that the existence of varying sexualties and gender identities is just sort of a problematic mess to begin with. Without taking this the wrong way, I think the world would be better off if gender dysphoria didn't exist, only because of the amount of suffering it causes. If it turns out this is detectable and treatable in the future at such an early stage, I think it'd be best to go through with the process. At least those are just my initial thoughts, I really have never thought about this particular idea.Could always do both. If you've the tech to "fix" gender disphoria then that should mean you can allow transition either way. Which leaves a choice open, whether or not to go with your born sex or choose to go elsewhere.Hopefully as time goes on all fields will improve to allow flexability of choice.
Quote from: Velox on January 13, 2017, 02:52:31 PMIf that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?I'm not entirely familiar with the forced realignment procedure for intersex, is that the same as assigning hemaphrodite infants?
If that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 04:57:11 PMQuote from: Velox on January 13, 2017, 02:52:31 PMIf that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?I'm not entirely familiar with the forced realignment procedure for intersex, is that the same as assigning hemaphrodite infants?Good points all around in this discussion, I don't have much to add.Yes, that is what I meant, although I believe that the term hermaphrodite is considered offensive. Intersex should mean pretty much the same thing (I actually had to google it to even remember)
Quote from: Velox on January 14, 2017, 12:32:39 AMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on January 13, 2017, 04:57:11 PMQuote from: Velox on January 13, 2017, 02:52:31 PMIf that were to become possible, I'm worried about the morality of such treatment. Wouldn't it be comparable with the forced sex realignment or whatever it's called that's done on intersex people?I'm not entirely familiar with the forced realignment procedure for intersex, is that the same as assigning hemaphrodite infants?Good points all around in this discussion, I don't have much to add.Yes, that is what I meant, although I believe that the term hermaphrodite is considered offensive. Intersex should mean pretty much the same thing (I actually had to google it to even remember)I really do hate the euphemism treadmill.I can understand not using stuff that is outright derogatory (like faggot) but it annoys me when the latest round of inoffensive words rolls into town because in 10 years time you'll have the same thing happen all over again.But yeah, that'd be about it.
I want raw data, as somebody who believes transgenderism to be entirely psychological and nothing neurological.
as somebody who believes transgenderism to be entirely psychological and nothing neurological.
I wouldn't think so. While I'm in full support of the LGBT community and their rights, I think it can be agreed that the existence of varying sexualties and gender identities is just sort of a problematic mess to begin with.
Without taking this the wrong way, I think the world would be better off if gender dysphoria didn't exist, only because of the amount of suffering it causes. If it turns out this is detectable and treatable in the future at such an early stage, I think it'd be best to go through with the process.
See I told you guys it's not gay to like traps
Gender identity is biological
