Fuck you Obama! Fuck you!!

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http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/obama-outlaw-223-ammunition-executive-action/

Using an executive action, Obama is apparently going to have the ATF reclassify .223 ammunition (used in AR-15 commonly) as armor piercing! This will outright ban it as it seems...



 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Some executive actions can be justified.

This doesn't seem to be ones of them.


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Hahahahaha. This is brilliant. America is finally going to have less gun freedom then the UK. How jelly are you ameritards?


 
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While the action is noble in intent, banning the AR-15 won't exactly stop people from slaughtering one another in the most G L O R I O U S country in the world that fails to talk about its problems.


 
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Also, this article is so damn biased that it hurts. Find a better source of news maybe.


 
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Can't really find it within me to care all that much.


 
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Can't really find it within me to care all that much.
You too?

I find it odd I'm in agreement.


 
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First off, this source sucks. It reads like an NRA magazine. Second of all, the ATF reclassification will only affect M855 surplus ammo, aka 5.56×45mm NATO, not .223 Remington. Additionally, your current supply is not illegal, you just can't purchase more.

We're already pushing back because of the ban's wording  on how AP rounds are built and  how m855 isn't steel cored but tipped. I don't see this ban lasting long.


 
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oh, you could? okay


 
 
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Well...is it?


 
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Well...is it?
18USC section 921
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(17)(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means-

    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.

In short, no.

Further information from a 2011 informative piece
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A few things to take note of is that the classification as “armor piercing” is for bullets only, not the complete cartridge. Despite the mention of handgun caliber above, you can take that to mean that it’s a round that has been made as a handgun caliber at some point.

The bullet (projectile) must also have a core made entirely out of the metals listed above, or be a full jacketed bullet with a jacket weighing more than 25% of its overall weight. This means that the SS109/M855 bullets wouldn’t be covered, as their cores are partly steel, and partly lead. Lead isn’t listed in the metals above. Furthermore, as you’ll see in the list below, the ATF has specifically stated that the SS109/M855 bullets are exempted from AP status.
ATF AP Classified Rounds

    All KTW, ARCANE, and THV ammo
    Czech made 9mm Para. with steel core
    German made 9mm Para. with steel core
    MSC .25 ACP with brass bullet
    BLACK STEEL armor and metal piercing ammunition
    7.62mm NATO AP and SLAP
    PMC ULTRAMAG with brass bullet (not copper)
    OMNISHOCK .38 Special with steel core
    7.62×39 ammo with steel core bullets

ATF Exempted Rounds

    5.56 SS109 and M855 NATO rounds, with steel penetrator tip.
    .30-06 M2 AP ammo
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I would say I'm for tighter restriction on gun control

but I have a feeling people here would brutally rape me


 
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I would say I'm for tighter restriction on gun control

but I have a feeling people here would brutally rape me
Depends. How tight are we talking?


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Well would you look at that...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammoban.asp
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TRUE: The BATF has proposed a reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from "primarily used for sporting purposes" to "armor piercing ammunition."

FALSE: President Obama initiated the proposed reclassification, or codified it through executive order.


 
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Well would you look at that...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammoban.asp
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TRUE: The BATF has proposed a reclassification of "5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges" from "primarily used for sporting purposes" to "armor piercing ammunition."

FALSE: President Obama initiated the proposed reclassification, or codified it through executive order.
Yes, we already ridiculed the OP for being wrong.


 
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I would say I'm for tighter restriction on gun control

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Depends. How tight are we talking?
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I would say I'm for tighter restriction on gun control

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Depends. How tight are we talking?
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Unintended. But I'm totally rolling with it now.


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Well...is it?
18USC section 921
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(17)(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means-

    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.

In short, no.

Further information from a 2011 informative piece
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A few things to take note of is that the classification as “armor piercing” is for bullets only, not the complete cartridge. Despite the mention of handgun caliber above, you can take that to mean that it’s a round that has been made as a handgun caliber at some point.

The bullet (projectile) must also have a core made entirely out of the metals listed above, or be a full jacketed bullet with a jacket weighing more than 25% of its overall weight. This means that the SS109/M855 bullets wouldn’t be covered, as their cores are partly steel, and partly lead. Lead isn’t listed in the metals above. Furthermore, as you’ll see in the list below, the ATF has specifically stated that the SS109/M855 bullets are exempted from AP status.
ATF AP Classified Rounds

    All KTW, ARCANE, and THV ammo
    Czech made 9mm Para. with steel core
    German made 9mm Para. with steel core
    MSC .25 ACP with brass bullet
    BLACK STEEL armor and metal piercing ammunition
    7.62mm NATO AP and SLAP
    PMC ULTRAMAG with brass bullet (not copper)
    OMNISHOCK .38 Special with steel core
    7.62×39 ammo with steel core bullets

ATF Exempted Rounds

    5.56 SS109 and M855 NATO rounds, with steel penetrator tip.
    .30-06 M2 AP ammo
Forgive me, I know nothing about ammunition. What about the .223 doesn't make it an armor piercing round? I feel like if it's so easy for the layman to point out, it's an open and shut case.