Quote from: Lord Keksworth on December 07, 2014, 10:03:40 PMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 07, 2014, 09:53:16 PMIt's incredibly short-sighted to think supplying Japan's war effort would have been good for the U.S. Imperial Japan's expansion throughout the region and alignment with the Axis currently decimating America's European allies was absolutely counter to American prosperity, and it would have been a huge slap in the face to continue war-profiteering from our allies' deaths. What did you think would have happened once Germany steamrolled through Europe and Japan conquered Asia? That Japan would thank them for the steel and oil and go on their merry way?War logistics and supplying relies on neutrality. So, yes, even if America's allies were getting massacred by weapons made from steel imported from the US, it would still be profitable for America to keep exporting resources to both sides. Horrible? Of course. Profiting off human suffering? Most definitely. Pragmatic? Absolutely.Japan was never in any way powerful enough to really defeat America. Even if the US had kept supplying them throughout the war and Japan turned on them at the end, it still would never have ended favorably for Japan. Also, the concept of Germany getting past Russia is a laughable one indeed.So then Germany conquers Europe, Japan conquers Asia, Russia conquers Germany's Europe and Japan sides with them, then both converge on America. Obviously it would have been profitable to continue selling to Japan, but thankfully FDR had a stronger ethical backbone than a desire for profit. The point still stands that economic sanctions aren't justification for the attack.
Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 07, 2014, 09:53:16 PMIt's incredibly short-sighted to think supplying Japan's war effort would have been good for the U.S. Imperial Japan's expansion throughout the region and alignment with the Axis currently decimating America's European allies was absolutely counter to American prosperity, and it would have been a huge slap in the face to continue war-profiteering from our allies' deaths. What did you think would have happened once Germany steamrolled through Europe and Japan conquered Asia? That Japan would thank them for the steel and oil and go on their merry way?War logistics and supplying relies on neutrality. So, yes, even if America's allies were getting massacred by weapons made from steel imported from the US, it would still be profitable for America to keep exporting resources to both sides. Horrible? Of course. Profiting off human suffering? Most definitely. Pragmatic? Absolutely.Japan was never in any way powerful enough to really defeat America. Even if the US had kept supplying them throughout the war and Japan turned on them at the end, it still would never have ended favorably for Japan. Also, the concept of Germany getting past Russia is a laughable one indeed.
It's incredibly short-sighted to think supplying Japan's war effort would have been good for the U.S. Imperial Japan's expansion throughout the region and alignment with the Axis currently decimating America's European allies was absolutely counter to American prosperity, and it would have been a huge slap in the face to continue war-profiteering from our allies' deaths. What did you think would have happened once Germany steamrolled through Europe and Japan conquered Asia? That Japan would thank them for the steel and oil and go on their merry way?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 08, 2014, 08:30:15 AMOnce again, Japan fucking raped and murdered Chinese women and children and made Koreans girls into sex slaves. They deserved the embargos because America wasn't going to sit and watch as their resources were being used to commit mass human rights violationsQuoteDidn't say it was the ethical option. Just the most pragmatic.
Once again, Japan fucking raped and murdered Chinese women and children and made Koreans girls into sex slaves. They deserved the embargos because America wasn't going to sit and watch as their resources were being used to commit mass human rights violations
Didn't say it was the ethical option. Just the most pragmatic.
>people thinking the nukes shouldn't have been dropped Fuck off, hippies.
Wait, no. You're just an American.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on December 08, 2014, 11:57:48 PMWait, no. You're just an American.>yfw im british
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 08, 2014, 08:47:28 AM>people thinking the nukes shouldn't have been dropped Fuck off, hippies.Wow, you're actually an asshole. Great work.Wait, no. You're just an American.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 09, 2014, 01:19:07 AMQuote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on December 08, 2014, 11:57:48 PMWait, no. You're just an American.>yfw im britishAmerican in the sense that you're a moron and are overweight.
For those of you who resent the Japanese for Pearl Harbor...
