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http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

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For the first time in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys, there is more support for gun rights than gun control. Currently, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership.

Support for gun rights has edged up from earlier this year, and marks a substantial shift in attitudes since shortly after the Newtown school shootings, which occurred two years ago this Sunday.

The balance of opinion favored gun control in the immediate aftermath of the Newtown tragedy in December 2012, and again a month later. Since January 2013, support for gun rights has increased seven percentage points – from 45% to 52% — while the share prioritizing gun control has fallen five points (from 51% to 46%).

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted Dec. 3-7 among 1,507 adults, also finds a shift in attitudes about whether gun ownership in this country does more to protect people or put people’s safety at risk. Nearly six-in-ten Americans (57%) say gun ownership does more to protect people from becoming victims of crime, while 38% say it does more to endanger personal safety. In the days after Newtown, 48% said guns do more to protect people and 37% said they placed people at risk.

Over the past two years, blacks’ views on this measure have changed dramatically. Currently, 54% of blacks say gun ownership does more to protect people than endanger personal safety, nearly double the percentage saying this in December 2012 (29%). By contrast, whites’ views have shown less change: 62% now view guns as doing more to protect people, up from 54% in December.

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Do people not consider background checks and registration "gun control"?

Can I only support gun rights if I support unregulated access to any and all firearms?


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Do people not consider background checks and registration "gun control"?
I don't. I see them as a simple necessity. Actual gun control is banning certain guns, handicapping certain guns, establishing registries, banning open and concealed carrying, limiting magazine size, and many unnecessary and fear mongering concepts


 
 
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I hope this does not lead to the reversal of the current and great trend of tightening gun control.
Studies have been conducted that showed the assault weapons ban didn't have any impact on crime and crime rates. Crime has also been in a decline even before the ban was passed. There is no logical reason for these preposterous regulations


 
 
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Studies have been conducted that showed the assault weapons ban didn't have any impact on crime and crime rates.
Hence why you shouldn't stop at assault weapons.
Assault weapons are not even real; they are made up concepts to incite fear mongering and discrimination amongst gun owners. Discrimination against this semi-automatic sporting rifle is no different than the discrimination of blacks less than a century ago. Both establish a falsified idea that both are dangerous and evil, when they are not
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Studies have been conducted that showed the assault weapons ban didn't have any impact on crime and crime rates.
Hence why you shouldn't stop at assault weapons.
Assault weapons are not even real; they are made up concepts to incite fear mongering and discrimination amongst gun owners. Discrimination against this semi-automatic sporting rifle is no different than the discrimination of blacks less than a century ago. Both establish a falsified idea that both are dangerous and evil, when they are not

But muh emotions and irrational paranoid fears

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Children have died as a result of the concept that a sign will prevent violence, when it has shown it doesn't. I feel safe at my college knowing that the criminal justice staff are all packing some heat


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Discrimination against this semi-automatic sporting rifle is no different than the discrimination of blacks less than a century ago.


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Discrimination against this semi-automatic sporting rifle is no different than the discrimination of blacks less than a century ago.

Upset at something? Did you also know the first gun control laws were passed to prevent blacks from defending themselves against KKK members and former slave owners? Gun control is not only racist, but disenfranchises minorities trying to make a living


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Gun control is not only racist

Want to prove otherwise?

Gun control prevents minorities from protecting themselves in areas of high crime, where they do tend to live


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Now now now, before the festivities of shit start, let's take a look at the facts


http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp


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Gun control prevents minorities from protecting themselves in areas of high crime, where they do tend to live
That's not racist, that's just unfortunate.

I'm not even that big on gun control; it's more of a cultural issue for America to me, and if I had my way I'd actually reverse the ban on assault weapons because you're essentially correct. Handguns are where the crime is, and even then they're most often illegally obtained.

But, please, for the love of God, don't play the fucking race card.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Agreed race isn't relevant, but his comparison to discrimination of race is still valid.
I see what he means by the discrimination being unjustified. But slavery and gun control are still qualitatively different as far as I'm concerned.


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Agreed race isn't relevant, but his comparison to discrimination of race is still valid.
I see what he means by the discrimination being unjustified. But slavery and gun control are still qualitatively different as far as I'm concerned.
Only time I brought up slavery was when I mentioned former slave owners, as in after slavery was banned. People like to complain that people to fly the Confederate battle flag are racists, yet the first gun control laws was based on racism so therefore I should be able to draw conclusions that new gun control laws bring back the times of 19th and 20th century racism and discrimination


 
 
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Assault weapons are not even real; they are made up concepts to incite fear mongering and discrimination amongst gun owners.
You do realize that literally every single concept ever is "made up", right? And like I said, you don't stop at just assault rifles.

And seriously? Gun control is racist now? I've heard more poor arguments in favor of the abolishment of gun control than I can count, but this one has got to be one of the worst.
See, there is a difference. The guns politicians want to ban, which are semi-automatic sporting rifles, are classified as msuch because that's what they are. Assault weapons is a term made up that doesn't span just rifles, but shotguns and handguns based on the criteria they had established. And civilians can't own  assault rifles unless they go through a very detailed background check, get permission from the city police, and pay a $200 tax stamp

The first gun laws were made to prevent freed slaves from owning guns


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
People like to complain that people to fly the Confederate battle flag are racists, yet the first gun control laws was based on racism so therefore I should be able to draw conclusions that new gun control laws bring back the times of 19th and 20th century racism and discrimination
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
The first gun laws were made to prevent freed slaves from owning guns
That was probably a good idea, at first. I know what I'd do if I were just released from bondage and had a gun.


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The first gun laws were made to prevent freed slaves from owning guns
That was probably a good idea, at first. I know what I'd do if I were just released from bondage and had a gun.
I know what I would do to, protect my family from those that wanted to seek retribution because of the actions of the government cost them money. If blacks were the issue at the time, then you wouldn't have seen the formation of the KKK as a white organization, but as a black organization


 
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Do people not consider background checks and registration "gun control"?

Can I only support gun rights if I support unregulated access to any and all firearms?

I guess we should regulate your speech, too. Seriously, I'd be against even regulation your ridiculous speech.

We do - the government just isn't the group that does.


 
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If blacks were the issue at the time, then you wouldn't have seen the formation of the KKK as a white organization, but as a black organization
Sorry, what?

The Klan was founded by Confederate veterans. It has nothing to do with blacks being the problem or not. For once, it wasn't economics, it was racism. The Klan murdered freedmen and black and while Republicans because they'd upset the balance of white supremacy.