Foetal Alcohol Syndrome case dismissed by the court of appeal

 
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30327893
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He said: "This case was hugely important, because campaigners argued that if the Court of Appeal had said it was possible for a mother to commit a crime by poisoning her foetus with excessive alcohol, it would have had the effect of criminalising pregnant women who drank excessively, knowing the dangers of alcohol to their foetus."
Let me just say, Boo Fucking Hoo.
Why on earth shouldn't it be a crime to do that to your child?
Chugging 8 cans of strong lager and half a bottle of vodka a day whilst pregnant should be legal?
Are you fucking kidding me.

What do the rest of you think?
Should it be criminalised or not? <.<


 
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I'm not sure criminalised is the word...
On one hand, there are genuinely ignorant people out there that don't understand why that's wrong.

On the other, it's clear here that she knew what she was doing and she acted to purposefully to kill the foetus.
So yeah, that's wrong, if you want an abortion, go through the proper channels, don't be a monster about it.


 
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Should it be criminalized, in the sense that the mother go to jail? No (Unless the baby dies from directly related conditions).

I do agree, there are genuinely ignorant people that don't understand the consequences of alcohol on children (Especially in some places here in the US with absolutely appalling health courses in school) - more attention should be given from OBGYN's to explain to the mother's the effects of too much alcohol on newborn infants prior to birth, the various health risks, etc.

At the same time, if the mother chooses to ignore the risks and drink like an Irishman anyway, then yes. She should face some penalty.


 
 
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Should it be criminalized, in the sense that the mother go to jail? No (Unless the baby dies from directly related conditions).

I do agree, there are genuinely ignorant people that don't understand the consequences of alcohol on children (Especially in some places here in the US with absolutely appalling health courses in school) - more attention should be given from OBGYN's to explain to the mother's the effects of too much alcohol on newborn infants prior to birth, the various health risks, etc.

At the same time, if the mother chooses to ignore the risks and drink like an Irishman anyway, then yes. She should face some penalty.
Hmm yeah, perhaps not to jail <.<
I think to dismiss the compensation claim though, that's just wrong. It's clearly her fault the kid is fubar, so why the hell shouldn't she have to pay towards it's care .___________.


 
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Should it be criminalized, in the sense that the mother go to jail? No (Unless the baby dies from directly related conditions).

I do agree, there are genuinely ignorant people that don't understand the consequences of alcohol on children (Especially in some places here in the US with absolutely appalling health courses in school) - more attention should be given from OBGYN's to explain to the mother's the effects of too much alcohol on newborn infants prior to birth, the various health risks, etc.

At the same time, if the mother chooses to ignore the risks and drink like an Irishman anyway, then yes. She should face some penalty.
Hmm yeah, perhaps not to jail <.<
I think to dismiss the compensation claim though, that's just wrong. It's clearly her fault the kid is fubar, so why the hell shouldn't she have to pay towards it's care .___________.

Because Britbongistan.

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This is fucking child abuse. Send her ass to prison for a good 3 years and compensate the child
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As a foetal alcohol syndrome baby, I can tell you through my life experience that it's not that bad.  Sure, my facial features look like they are experiencing continental drift across my face and I talk funny, but people look past that in today's society.  Putting my mom in jail wouldn't have helped the situation.


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Putting my mom in jail wouldn't have helped the situation.
If she was caught abusing you at an early age, she being behind bars would have prevented her from continuing the abuse. But she we not put murderers behind bar, despite them from already committing the crime?


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Putting my mom in jail wouldn't have helped the situation.
If she was caught abusing you at an early age, she being behind bars would have prevented her from continuing the abuse. But she we not put murderers behind bar, despite them from already committing the crime?
I feel prison food would be far worse for a fetus than a little alcohol.  Also, foetal alcohol syndrome isn't equivelent to murder.  I'd chalk it up next to circumcision, instead of the scrotum though it's brain circumcision.  I don't really see the negative as it's purely subjective.


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To Devil's advocate, could one not make the argument that restricting a pregnant women from drinking while pregnant is a form of violation of bodily autonomy?
It depends whether you hold a woman's autonomy over the life of a developing fetus.


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I imagine this, if passed, would have created precedent for a total ban on abortion.


 
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I'd chalk it up next to circumcision, instead of the scrotum though

I don't think you know what circumcision is.


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Shit, I thought it already was criminal to do such a thing. That's horrific.

I don't think it should be criminal for pregnant woman to be necessarily in trouble for being ignorant to an extent - I didn't know unpasteurized cheese or a hard boiled egg is damaging to a foetus, but it's kinda common sense for drinks seeing as alcohol is a fucking poison, and has warning labels pasted all over them.

I'd go as far as saying that if you intend to drink while pregnant, especially such a fucking ridiculous amount as this woman did, then you may as well just abort the poor thing. Hereditary diseases/conditions are one thing, but purposefully fucking up your offspring in that way is disgusting.

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It's a form of child abuse, or negligence at the very least. To not know that alcohol is a poison, and that poison is bad for fetuses, is about as unacceptably stupid as not knowing it's bad to leave infants alone in water.


 
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I'd chalk it up next to circumcision, instead of the scrotum though

I don't think you know what circumcision is.
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It's fucked up but I'm always against just throwing folks in prison. Solves nothing.

Should it be criminalized? No, we need to educate people to not do drugs during pregnancy.
Unfortunately, there will still be people who ignore what they're told and do it anyway. What do we do then?


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I'd chalk it up next to circumcision, instead of the scrotum though

I don't think you know what circumcision is.
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I'd chalk it up next to circumcision, instead of the scrotum though

I don't think you know what circumcision is.
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It's fucked up but I'm always against just throwing folks in prison. Solves nothing.

Should it be criminalized? No, we need to educate people to not do drugs during pregnancy.
Unfortunately, there will still be people who ignore what they're told and do it anyway. What do we do then?
Fine them or something. Jail is fucking bullshit.
I'd wager that most of the offenders are already poor. How do you fine someone who is already broke?


 
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I feel as if saying "yes, we need to protect the fetus as a human and make a criminal of the mother who harmed it" is only a valid response if you're also anti-abortion.
But then again, plenty of states have laws creating charges for harm or death of a viable fetus from injuring/assaulting/killing the mother...
Then again again, throwing her in prison doesn't help anyone... mandatory AA classes and community service sound okay?


 
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