Florida school shooting - 17+ dead

Verbatim · March 01, 2018, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: Flee on March 01, 2018, 11:45:00 AM

"why adopt gun control rules when criminals just buy their guns illegally from the black market"

just to clarify, this is not the argument i'm making, and i made the same point towards deci in the other thread

i figured my stance on gun control has been made clear enough in the past that i wouldn't need to clarify, but i support gun control to the extent that even most leftists might consider draconian

all i'm saying here is that it's still a two-way street; the black market will always exist, yes, but i'm coming at it from the perspective of someone who's more in line with your thinking, not deci's thinking

deci seems to be hung-up on the notion that any degree of gun control is pointless because it's not 100% effective, when, like you said, perfect efficacy is not what we're looking for

it's minimization

Flee · March 01, 2018, 12:22:32 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · March 01, 2018, 12:28:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 01, 2018, 09:19:59 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on March 01, 2018, 07:49:39 AM
tbh fam I'v been countering everyone who uses the "you can buy a rifle but not a beer" argument irl by agreeing that it's absurd and saying that we need to lower our drinking age to 18 like the rest of the developed world. It either ends the conversation or derails it totally away from guns.
wait, do people really use that argument in contexts other than "we ought to lower the drinking age"

I've been hearing it lately since this Florida shooting by people who want to raise the purchase age of long guns.
They phrase it like, if you can't be trusted with alcohol until you're 21 why can you buy this weapon of war?

Flee · March 01, 2018, 12:40:13 PM

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March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM

People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM

Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM

People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.

So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.

Genghis Khan · March 01, 2018, 02:23:43 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM

Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.
So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.

That is what Lenin did and made communist revolution possible.

March 01, 2018, 03:10:45 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM

Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.
So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.

Gun laws are very different depending on the state. In Florida, I was able to legally own a handgun and have it in my car while I was still in High School. You're required to be 21 for the purchase, but can own one at 18. I also became certified for a C&C at the same age, but I had to wait until I was 21 to actually get the license. For about 3 years, I had a Ruger P-95 concealed in my car legally before I was able to actually purchase a similar firearm.

There's going to be loopholes, and the Pre-1968 serial number firearms are untraceable. You can exchange firearms with others without documentation, but the number can be traced back to the buyer if the weapon is acquired by authorities.

I don't know why people bitch over AR15s when automatics aren't too difficult to acquire.

Where I live, I can fire most Non-explosives in my friend's back yard. Someone in my family has an M1A1 Thompson, and I'll be firing that off pretty soon.

challengerX · March 01, 2018, 06:07:51 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · March 01, 2018, 06:24:53 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM

Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.
So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.

Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 included a provision that outright prohibits any federal government agency from forming a readily searchable gun registry for typical firearms (ie: not machineguns or short barreled rifles/shotguns). Every republican would lose his job if they allowed this to get overturned.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · March 02, 2018, 10:04:40 AM

Quote from: challengerX on March 01, 2018, 06:07:51 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.
So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.
hahahaha holy shit this is beyond unconstitutional

So this amendment was not future proof at all then?

challengerX · March 02, 2018, 10:25:07 AM

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FatherlyNick - fuck putin · March 02, 2018, 01:43:56 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 02, 2018, 10:25:07 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 02, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: challengerX on March 01, 2018, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: Vien on March 01, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
People are wanting laws to rid of firearms without realizing that it'd be impossible to rid of the current ones people own. We already have 5-6 firearms without serial numbers.
So there isn't a record of people who own guns and how many they own?
Why not keep such a list?

When they cancel 2nd amendment, just start taking ppl off that list and the guns they bring. If someone doesn't show up - you get a warrant for house search etc.
hahahaha holy shit this is beyond unconstitutional
So this amendment was not future proof at all then?
Except it is. Because what you just suggested the US government should do is unconstitutional. As in illegal. 4th amendment etc.

I mean, if they ever decide to revert to no guns for citizens - they will have a hard time doing so.

March 02, 2018, 02:39:13 PM

Do I have to pay a $200 tax stamp to suppress the argument?

Vegeta Wars · March 26, 2018, 01:17:23 PM

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Genghis Khan · March 26, 2018, 03:09:04 PM

Quote from: Vegeta Wars on March 26, 2018, 01:17:23 PM

Probably setup by the government, honestly. Coward cop hid and the F.B.I. was warned.

The deep state has a lot of power and influence on US politics. It's been hinted that the majority of mass shootings are set up.

challengerX · March 26, 2018, 03:11:34 PM

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Vegeta Wars · March 26, 2018, 03:18:45 PM

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Vegeta Wars · March 26, 2018, 04:40:42 PM

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Azumarill · March 26, 2018, 05:00:41 PM

what rights are being trampled on, exactly

Vegeta Wars · March 26, 2018, 05:03:06 PM

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Azumarill · March 26, 2018, 05:04:18 PM

Quote from: Vegeta Wars on March 26, 2018, 05:03:06 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on March 26, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
what rights are being trampled on, exactly

The right to self-defense. Plenty of others by the government as well, but I will stay relevant.

lol

Mint · March 26, 2018, 09:47:32 PM

Who AR-15 here?