He should stop stroking himself and get to work. Replace ACA, with a better one. Let's see that southern border tightened up. Though you don't need to go as far as a wall. I want to see him "eradicate ISIS from the face of this earth". Very interested to see how things go.

Quote from: Gatortag on January 21, 2017, 07:50:48 PM

He should stop stroking himself and get to work. Replace ACA, with a better one. Let's see that southern border tightened up. Though you don't need to go as far as a wall. I want to see him "eradicate ISIS from the face of this earth". Very interested to see how things go.

All I know is nothing will ever be his fault. Ever.

Of course. There's so many delicate snowflakes in this country. Oh my God, he's racist, he's homophobic, he's fascists. These videos I'm watching give me no hope for humanity. Fucking morons out there.

I think it's pretty safe to say gay rights will stay as they are. There won't be a Muslim ban. Though I do think it's fair enough to check the ones coming from Syria, for example, more extensively. People worry too much about this.

An issue with that though is the US, along with Nato/EU, has helped maintain the global peace, and when you have countries like Russia looking to tear both of those apart, and Trump say "these countries can do what they want", then it's pretty bad.

Especially since Russia is bully/invasion happy, and China is building islands all across the ocean. But I guess the status quo is never good for people.

The ironic thing is, this all came to be after WW2. And just as the last of the WW2 vets are dying, we're all seeing a change and losing sight of the stability all of this stuff set up has brought us.

Also, the US military doesn't really meddle in those countries with bases. They're there for if we have to put more people around with our allies. Our special ops do the meddling, but really, the US military is just one big huge deterrence.

I do agree though that we shouldn't pump so much money in our military and SHOULD focus on things like infrastructure, which is something I am supportive of.

Can't really argue with that. Putin honestly doesn't seem like that bad of a guy to me. I've watched a lot of his videos. But it could just be called propaganda I suppose. But I have heard there's worriers Trump will sit back, as supposedly Putin will want to reclaim the countries formerly in the Soviet Union. But again, how can we talking about Russia after what we've done?

1973   Chile The CIA sabotaged Salvador Allende's first election in 1964, and failed to do so in 1970 (when they also tried to kill him). The military was encouraged to be hostile and in Sept 1973 the government was overthrown, Allende dying in the process. The generals closed the country to the outside world for a week, tanks rolled, soldiers broke down doors, stadiums rang with the sounds of execution and bodies piled up along the streets and floated in the river. More than 3,000 were executed, thousands more tortured or disappeared.

1970   Italy CIA supported the failed Borghese coup in Italy. The military attaché at the US embassy was allegedly connected to the coup organizers and one of the accused claimed that US President Richard Nixon had followed the preparations for the coup. A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Italian newspaper La Repubblica in December 2004 confirmed this.

1964   Brazil Operation Brother Sam. The extent of CIA involvement unverifiable since some documents remain classified, but the US provided logistic support to the rebels and dispatched an aircraft carrier (USS Forrestal), two guided missile destroyers and four destroyers which to Brazil under the guise of a military exercise. The rule of democracy was replaced with a line of military dictatorships for the next 21 years, whom the US supported until at least the late 1970s.

1961   Greece   CIA-backed military coup ushers in Regime of the Colonels in Greece.

1953   Guyana From 1953-64, the UK and the US went to great lengths to prevent a democratically elected leader of British Guiana/Guyana from governing. Cheddi Jagan had tried to remain neutral and independent and was elected three times. Using a variety of tactics including general strikes and disinformation to terrorism and British legalisms, the U. S. and Britain finally forced Jagan out in 1964. John F. Kennedy had given a direct order for his ouster, as, presumably, had Eisenhower. One of the better-off countries in the region under Jagan, Guyana, by the 1980s, was one of the poorest. Its principal export became people.

1953   Iran  In 1951 the Iranian parliament voted to nationalize the Iran's petroleum industry, threatening the profits of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Declassified CIA documents show that Britain was fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry and pressed the U.S. to mount Operation Ajax to depose the prime minister and install a puppet regime. Elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh and his government were replaced by the Shah (overthrown 26 years later).

1949   Syria   CIA helps overthrow the democratically elected government of Syria, bringing in the dictatorship of Husni al-Za'im. Wikipedia says "carried out with discreet backing of the American embassy".

1975   South America   Operation Condor was a campaign of political repression and terror involving assassination and intelligence operations officially implemented in 1975 by right-wing dictatorships in South America. The program aimed to eradicate alleged socialist and communist influence and ideas and to control active or potential opposition movements against the participating governments. Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. It is estimated that a minimum of 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor, possibly more. Condor's key members were the governments in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil. The United States provided support, with Ecuador and Peru joining later in more peripheral roles.   

1961 -1963 Ecuador   President José María Velasco Ibarra was overthrown by a military coup, replaced with his vice-president Carlos Julio Arosemana, who in turn was overthrown in 1963 and replaced by a more consistently anti-Communist military junta.

1961 -1962 Cuba Attempts to overthrow Fidel Castro, The Cuban Project, Operation Mongoose, Operation Northwoods   

1946 -1949 Greece Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis courageously. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.


Now. How much suffering has been caused by all of those? How many deaths? That is something that also needs to stop.