Quote from: Madman Mordo on November 18, 2014, 03:57:13 AMQuote from: Flee on November 18, 2014, 03:46:04 AMThere is not much left that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread. I doubt anyone in the right mind actively opposes equal rights, opportunities and treatments for and of women, which is what feminism should be all about. However, the word, which is already a pretty loaded term to begin with, has grown to have so many different meanings and interpretations, that it's effectively turning people away from the movement. The egalitarian ideals have become perverted by SJW's and extremists who no longer seek equality or a true promotion of women's rights, but instead argue about things like the criminalization of "stare rape" or how sexism and double standards against men are called for in the great scheme of the battle against the evil patriarchy. This most definitely is a shame, because feminism in its core is something that everyone should support.The logical and desirable next step is for "true" feminists to abandon the sinking and polluted ship. Make egalitarianism an actual thing and movement, distance yourself from the crazies and extremists, and get the men involved to fight for things that'll actually promote equality rather than a skewed cushion society.I also think the failure of feminism in western society has much to do with a lack of clear goals or leadership. First wave feminism fought for women's political and institutional footing (for white women only though, but I wont get into that) during the dawn of the 20th century, whereas second wave fought for equal pay and bodily autonomy during the early 60s. Third wave is a bit trickier to gauge because they all seem to disagree on what constitutes as an actual problem. This can also be attributed to the fact that perhaps we have ultimately eliminated gender discrimination, at least in the Western World.I wouldn't be as quick to rule it as eliminated, but it's certainly no where near the problem that it once was. Then again, it depends on how far you decide gender discrimination goes in the first place. When it starts getting into muh patriarchy and all that, it's where it starts to get ridiculous.'Yes Dear'Two words that shows that the evil patriarchy isn't all it's cut out to be.
Quote from: Flee on November 18, 2014, 03:46:04 AMThere is not much left that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread. I doubt anyone in the right mind actively opposes equal rights, opportunities and treatments for and of women, which is what feminism should be all about. However, the word, which is already a pretty loaded term to begin with, has grown to have so many different meanings and interpretations, that it's effectively turning people away from the movement. The egalitarian ideals have become perverted by SJW's and extremists who no longer seek equality or a true promotion of women's rights, but instead argue about things like the criminalization of "stare rape" or how sexism and double standards against men are called for in the great scheme of the battle against the evil patriarchy. This most definitely is a shame, because feminism in its core is something that everyone should support.The logical and desirable next step is for "true" feminists to abandon the sinking and polluted ship. Make egalitarianism an actual thing and movement, distance yourself from the crazies and extremists, and get the men involved to fight for things that'll actually promote equality rather than a skewed cushion society.I also think the failure of feminism in western society has much to do with a lack of clear goals or leadership. First wave feminism fought for women's political and institutional footing (for white women only though, but I wont get into that) during the dawn of the 20th century, whereas second wave fought for equal pay and bodily autonomy during the early 60s. Third wave is a bit trickier to gauge because they all seem to disagree on what constitutes as an actual problem. This can also be attributed to the fact that perhaps we have ultimately eliminated gender discrimination, at least in the Western World.
There is not much left that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread. I doubt anyone in the right mind actively opposes equal rights, opportunities and treatments for and of women, which is what feminism should be all about. However, the word, which is already a pretty loaded term to begin with, has grown to have so many different meanings and interpretations, that it's effectively turning people away from the movement. The egalitarian ideals have become perverted by SJW's and extremists who no longer seek equality or a true promotion of women's rights, but instead argue about things like the criminalization of "stare rape" or how sexism and double standards against men are called for in the great scheme of the battle against the evil patriarchy. This most definitely is a shame, because feminism in its core is something that everyone should support.The logical and desirable next step is for "true" feminists to abandon the sinking and polluted ship. Make egalitarianism an actual thing and movement, distance yourself from the crazies and extremists, and get the men involved to fight for things that'll actually promote equality rather than a skewed cushion society.
Feminism in decline
