Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 04:18:40 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 08, 2016, 04:17:15 PM

I'm not sure how it's anything but anonymous. Nobody sees phone numbers, names, or call data until a warrant is obtained.

Do you see the conflict in that statement? If you can discern that information from it, it's not anonymous by definition; it's locked behind a warrant.

I don't see the conflict.

""Anonymous"" metadata can include personally identifying information as phone numbers, names, and call data?

Quote from: Gaara444 on March 08, 2016, 04:24:17 PM

That's quite the argument, what counts as criminal though?

Somebody who breaks the law.

Russian journalists deserve to be assassinated for talking ill about their government? Ok.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 04:28:18 PM

Russian journalists deserve to be assassinated for talking ill about their government? Ok.

Where did I say anything about assassination?

I'm just trying to make sense of your vague responses.

Giving power to an authority to not only make and define laws freely and then also having the right to watch over you at all times is downright the dumbest thing an individual can do. You're no longer a person, you're nothing more than cattle at that point. All it takes is one group who have that power to say "We don't like X" regardless of whether or not it's harmless and suddenly millions of people are in the wrong because they know who's doing what and at all times.

Somebody who breaks the law.

All it takes is one group who have that power to say "We don't like X" regardless of whether or not it's harmless and suddenly millions of people are in the wrong because they know who's doing what and at all times.

And why would they do that?

What Orwell wrote wasn't reality. It was fiction fueled by paranoia.

You're joking right? How would you feel if I was the government and suddenly I decided that everyone who identified as an anti-natalist is a criminal? I don't need to give any rational thought behind it, all you know is that you are now a criminal and I know from all the information I have on you that you are an anti-natalist so it's jail time for you.

Orwell's book strikes close to home, there's no paranoia about it.

And why would they do that?

What Orwell wrote wasn't reality. It was fiction fueled by paranoia.

Where in any post in this thread did anyone mention needs? It's a right, something completely different.

Why do you NEED your privacy

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 04:29:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 08, 2016, 04:29:09 PM

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 04:28:18 PM

Russian journalists deserve to be assassinated for talking ill about their government? Ok.

Where did I say anything about assassination?

I'm just trying to make sense of your vague responses.

Obviously, speaking against your government shouldn't be illegal. I'm not going to go over every law in existence to evaluate which laws make sense and which ones don't.

I'm not asking that you do, but it's no excuse to not elaborate a bit more than you have. (It's a cop-out to start vague and form an argument to look/feel like you were right the whole time.)

Why does it bother you so much that Google tries to advertise things to you based on your interests? Why is that so scary?

(Google is just one example but) The blatant potential for abuse or compromise. The government can't keep its own secrets safe. A private corporation, whose employees have no real concept of or training in counter-espionage, cannot rationally be expected to successfully fend off bad actors who want their customers' sensitive information.

This isn't even on-topic anymore, except for Turkey.

There is legitimately no reason to take it away.

No one's taking it away. You give it up, because you don't NEED it.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 04:46:52 PM

The blatant potential for abuse or compromise. The government can't keep its own secrets safe. A private corporation, whose employees have no real concept of or training in counter-espionage, cannot rationally be expected to successfully fend off bad actors who want their customers' sensitive information.

Sensitive information like what? Names? Addresses? Credit card numbers?

So you're afraid of being stolen from or having your identity stolen by... unscrupulous, rogue sponsors. Is that right?

That's one reason, sure.

That's one reason, sure.

What else?

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 05:07:11 PM

That's one reason, sure.

What else?

Whatever else I want it to be.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 05:19:07 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 08, 2016, 05:08:07 PM

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 05:07:11 PM

That's one reason, sure.

What else?

Whatever else I want it to be.

Not good enough.

I thought it was silly that I'm expected to list all the reasons for my case when

I'm not going to go over every law in existence to evaluate which laws make sense and which ones don't.

If you don't have time for this, then I don't either.

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on March 08, 2016, 05:22:45 PM

I thought it was silly that I'm expected to list all the reasons for my case when

Not in your case. I can evaluate five laws really fast, so I want to see five reasons to care about privacy.

Murder in cold-blood being illegal is a good thing.
Theft being illegal is a good thing.
Rape being illegal is a good thing.
Stop signs are a good thing.
Traffic lights are a good thing.

Okay.

Yeah, now you do.

(It's a cop-out to start vague and form an argument to look/feel like you were right the whole time.)

That list would be more effective if you didn't actually dodge the privacy issue that's being discussed right here. I'll give you a proper list after you do the same.

What did he get banned for this time?