Fact check: "anonymized" metadata is anything but

maverick · March 08, 2016, 07:57:13 PM

Damn Poopo, back at it again with the light bans.

big sponge · March 08, 2016, 10:07:17 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 08, 2016, 06:13:12 PM

What did he get banned for this time?

Posting the same string of pms he's been told not to 3 times already. He'll be gone for a month this time.

CIS · March 08, 2016, 10:56:02 PM

ITT: Verbatim shitting up the thread and making absurd statements as usual.

Verbatim · March 09, 2016, 01:14:30 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 08, 2016, 06:13:12 PM

What did he get banned for this time?

Same shit. Full month this time.

Flee · March 09, 2016, 03:25:36 AM

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Verbatim · March 09, 2016, 03:27:56 AM

Quote from: Flee on March 09, 2016, 03:25:36 AM

Well, Kupo's not wrong. Metadata can be very revealing. However, the processing of personal data is a bit more of a pressing matter and can cover sets of metadata too. You need a strong legal framework with sufficient safeguards to ensure privacy, which is currently lacking in a lot of countries.

Can mods see blacklisted posts?

Flee · March 09, 2016, 03:29:30 AM

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Super Irish · March 09, 2016, 07:24:36 AM

Quote from: Flee on March 09, 2016, 03:29:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 09, 2016, 03:27:56 AM
Quote from: Flee on March 09, 2016, 03:25:36 AM
Well, Kupo's not wrong. Metadata can be very revealing. However, the processing of personal data is a bit more of a pressing matter and can cover sets of metadata too. You need a strong legal framework with sufficient safeguards to ensure privacy, which is currently lacking in a lot of countries.
Can mods see blacklisted posts?
Yeah, indirectly. They still show the red message, but we can reveal what they said.

Could you possibly reinstate the OP or at least post it again?

Sure he's banned, but this was generating some decent discussion until half the posts in here went invisible and anyone late to the party has no idea what's going on.

Flee · March 09, 2016, 10:00:30 AM

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Tsirist · March 09, 2016, 01:18:36 PM

What is anonymized metadata anyways? If the data isn't in your hands then the safest assumption is that someone out there is keeping track, especially if they have resources on level with a corporation or a government. If you're using an external service that requires information from you why would you ever assume it is being discarded or "anonymized" somehow?

It's not a good situation at all. Best for now to stick to services that at least aren't confirmed to be feeding into monitoring programs, but of course that's no guarantee. Just have to hope new technologies in distributed computing, cryptography, and quantum computing can offer real security in the future.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 01:48:39 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 08, 2016, 03:52:32 PM

Quote from: Gaara444 on March 08, 2016, 03:49:18 PM
>Being spied on is not a legitimate concern

Wew lad
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Okay Joseph Goebbels.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 01:54:51 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 01:48:39 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 08, 2016, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Gaara444 on March 08, 2016, 03:49:18 PM
>Being spied on is not a legitimate concern

Wew lad
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Okay Joseph Goebbels.

What a childish tactic.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 02:06:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 01:54:51 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 01:48:39 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 08, 2016, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Gaara444 on March 08, 2016, 03:49:18 PM
>Being spied on is not a legitimate concern

Wew lad
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Okay Joseph Goebbels.
What a childish tactic.

If you don't want to be compared to fascists, don't act like them.

Also, you're the king of childish tactics, cutting up posts and only replying to the unimportant semantics you can think of a rebuttal for.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 02:07:52 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:06:20 AM

cutting up posts

You mean not wasting page space and responding to the only bits that matter?

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and only replying to the unimportant semantics you can think of a rebuttal for.

Except I don't do this, ever.

Caring about privacy is for retards; Joseph Goebbels had it right.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 02:13:36 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 02:07:52 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:06:20 AM
cutting up posts
You mean not wasting page space and responding to the only bits that matter?
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and only replying to the unimportant semantics you can think of a rebuttal for.
Except I don't do this, ever.

Caring about privacy is for retards; Joseph Goebbels had it right.

Quote from: Cheat on March 10, 2016, 08:39:29 PM

See, this is why we need a print button, so I can document this COMEDY GOLD.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 02:14:57 AM

Good argument.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 02:20:07 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 02:14:57 AM

Good argument.

Nice quoting skills.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 02:22:23 AM

Nice staying-on-subject skills.

This is what "muh privacy" babies resort to when they have no arguments--they stray from the subject and start sperging out about irrelevant bullshit, like their opponent's posting habits.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 02:32:57 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 02:22:23 AM

Nice staying-on-subject skills.

This is what "muh privacy" babies resort to when they have no arguments--they stray from the subject and start sperging out about irrelevant bullshit, like their opponent's posting habits.

You literally did it first.

Instead of addressing the issue you reacted to the tactics I used, completely ignoring everything, and I'm genuinely convinced the only reason you don't quote people when replying is because you hope they won't notice you posted and then the argument will end and it will look like you won, even though you just spent the entire time rambling about semantics and irrelevant nuances.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 02:41:19 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:32:57 AM

Instead of addressing the issue you reacted to the tactics I used, completely ignoring everything

Because comparing someone to a Nazi because of their opinions on privacy is extremely lowbrow and not worth taking seriously. It's just an insult--you may as well have just called me a shithead or an evil cunt or a retard. You're not contributing anything of value to the discussion, and you're just shitflinging. And that's fine, but this is the Serious board. If you have a point, make it.

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, and I'm genuinely convinced the only reason you don't quote people when replying is because you hope they won't notice you posted and then the argument will end and it will look like you won, even though you just spent the entire time rambling about semantics and irrelevant nuances.

You think way too hard about these things.

One of the reasons I do it, and will continue to do it, is because I know it bothers you so much. It AMUSES me.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 02:49:00 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 02:41:19 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:32:57 AM
Instead of addressing the issue you reacted to the tactics I used, completely ignoring everything
Because comparing someone to a Nazi because of their opinions on privacy is extremely lowbrow and not worth taking seriously. It's just an insult--you may as well have just called me a shithead or an evil cunt or a retard. You're not contributing anything of value to the discussion, and you're just shitflinging. And that's fine, but this is the Serious board. If you have a point, make it.

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, and I'm genuinely convinced the only reason you don't quote people when replying is because you hope they won't notice you posted and then the argument will end and it will look like you won, even though you just spent the entire time rambling about semantics and irrelevant nuances.
You think way too hard about these things.

One of the reasons I do it, and will continue to do it, is because I know it bothers you so much. It AMUSES me.

I don't get why people act like we're not still on the same shithole website we're always on just because the board is apparently 'serious'

You straight up quoted one of the most notorious fascist leaders in the history of the world, who personally oversaw the systematic extermination of entire races. Furthermore, that quote had direct affiliation with that systematic extermination. You are echoing the words that intimidated people into inaction, which allowed the fucking holocaust to happen.

If that wasn't a good point, then I don't know what is.

Also you just admitted to being an insufferable cunt for the sake of giggles.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 02:57:42 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:49:00 AM

You straight up quoted one of the most notorious fascist leaders in the history of the world

False. It was a fairly common meme at the time, and Goebbels did not come up with it himself. The phrase can be traced back to Upton Sinclair.

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Also you just admitted to being an insufferable cunt for the sake of giggles.

You're literally the only person who is sensitive enough to care if I quote them during discussions or not. If that makes me an insufferable cunt, then yes, I fully embrace it. Thank you.

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 03:01:26 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 02:57:42 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 02:49:00 AM
You straight up quoted one of the most notorious fascist leaders in the history of the world
False. It was a fairly common meme at the time, and Goebbels did not come up with it himself. The phrase can be traced back to Upton Sinclair.

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Also you just admitted to being an insufferable cunt for the sake of giggles.
You're literally the only person who is sensitive enough to care if I quote them during discussions or not. If that makes me an insufferable cunt, then yes, I fully embrace it. Thank you.

I don't think it matters who said it first, the fact remains it was a mentality that allowed the holocaust to happen.

Plus Sinclair is a tool for attacking American industry.

Verbatim · March 11, 2016, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 03:01:26 AM

I don't think it matters who said it first, the fact remains it was a mentality that allowed the holocaust to happen.

Many things allowed the Holocaust to happen--to blame it on a harmless truism would be trivial. And of course, correlation does not imply causation.

You've failed to attack the logic at its core. If I have nothing to hide, why should I be afraid?

Solonoid · March 11, 2016, 03:12:21 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 11, 2016, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 11, 2016, 03:01:26 AM
I don't think it matters who said it first, the fact remains it was a mentality that allowed the holocaust to happen.
Many things allowed the Holocaust to happen--to blame it on a harmless truism would be trivial. And of course, correlation does not imply causation.

You've failed to attack the logic at its core. If I have nothing to hide, why should I be afraid?

For the very reason I have just said.

That's how the holocaust happened.

The law is not always right, and the day that we allow ourselves to give way to it unwaveringly, and without question, is the day atrocities will go unchecked.

If you have the capacity to keep secrets from big brother, you have the capacity to fight back against those atrocities. Giving up the power we have now would make it impossible to get it back when we need it.

challengerX · March 11, 2016, 07:32:20 AM

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