Nowadays extremism is pretty much exclusively referring to hardline/salafist/wahabbi muslims, as a mark of distinction between them and say Shias or Kurds who (as far as I understand it) don't advocate the wholesale slaughter of anyone who sneezes whilst looking eastward.I'm not sure how it would be akin to racism though, it's just a way of clarifying what it is you have an issue with. If you have a problem with all muslims/islam as a whole then that's one thing, if you have a problem with ISIS tier psychotics and the branches of islam that breed and ferment these people then that's another.That being said, it's entirely possible for extremist vegetarians/vegans to apply their views selectively and advocate stuff like killing humans who eat meat.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on March 04, 2015, 01:03:08 PMNowadays extremism is pretty much exclusively referring to hardline/salafist/wahabbi muslims, as a mark of distinction between them and say Shias or Kurds who (as far as I understand it) don't advocate the wholesale slaughter of anyone who sneezes whilst looking eastward.I'm not sure how it would be akin to racism though, it's just a way of clarifying what it is you have an issue with. If you have a problem with all muslims/islam as a whole then that's one thing, if you have a problem with ISIS tier psychotics and the branches of islam that breed and ferment these people then that's another.That being said, it's entirely possible for extremist vegetarians/vegans to apply their views selectively and advocate stuff like killing humans who eat meat.My problem is that when anyone commits a heinous act in the name of an ideology, it always gets written off as "extremism" as if that's the answer to why they did what they did without factoring in any kind of extraneous variables involved, or the ideology that they based it off of. These people intentionally divert discourse and criticism just to maintain the status quo of being politically correct. Hence my "omg das racis" analogy.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 04, 2015, 01:08:54 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on March 04, 2015, 01:03:08 PMNowadays extremism is pretty much exclusively referring to hardline/salafist/wahabbi muslims, as a mark of distinction between them and say Shias or Kurds who (as far as I understand it) don't advocate the wholesale slaughter of anyone who sneezes whilst looking eastward.I'm not sure how it would be akin to racism though, it's just a way of clarifying what it is you have an issue with. If you have a problem with all muslims/islam as a whole then that's one thing, if you have a problem with ISIS tier psychotics and the branches of islam that breed and ferment these people then that's another.That being said, it's entirely possible for extremist vegetarians/vegans to apply their views selectively and advocate stuff like killing humans who eat meat.My problem is that when anyone commits a heinous act in the name of an ideology, it always gets written off as "extremism" as if that's the answer to why they did what they did without factoring in any kind of extraneous variables involved, or the ideology that they based it off of. These people intentionally divert discourse and criticism just to maintain the status quo of being politically correct. Hence my "omg das racis" analogy.http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2014/08/what-jihadists-who-bought-islam-dummies-amazon-tell-us-about-radicalisationSome evidence suggests that the influence of Islamic ideology may have little to do with why some become extremists though.
Quote from: Maverick on March 04, 2015, 01:18:17 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 04, 2015, 01:08:54 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on March 04, 2015, 01:03:08 PMNowadays extremism is pretty much exclusively referring to hardline/salafist/wahabbi muslims, as a mark of distinction between them and say Shias or Kurds who (as far as I understand it) don't advocate the wholesale slaughter of anyone who sneezes whilst looking eastward.I'm not sure how it would be akin to racism though, it's just a way of clarifying what it is you have an issue with. If you have a problem with all muslims/islam as a whole then that's one thing, if you have a problem with ISIS tier psychotics and the branches of islam that breed and ferment these people then that's another.That being said, it's entirely possible for extremist vegetarians/vegans to apply their views selectively and advocate stuff like killing humans who eat meat.My problem is that when anyone commits a heinous act in the name of an ideology, it always gets written off as "extremism" as if that's the answer to why they did what they did without factoring in any kind of extraneous variables involved, or the ideology that they based it off of. These people intentionally divert discourse and criticism just to maintain the status quo of being politically correct. Hence my "omg das racis" analogy.http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2014/08/what-jihadists-who-bought-islam-dummies-amazon-tell-us-about-radicalisationSome evidence suggests that the influence of Islamic ideology may have little to do with why some become extremists though.From the article:"In 2008, a classified briefing note on radicalisation, prepared by MI5’s behavioural science unit, was leaked to the Guardian."HMMMMMI don't deny that there are retards out there who do it just to have some sort of belonging somewhere. However, when you examine the mindset of these people through various interviews and documentaries, they genuinely believe they're doing the will of "Allah" and they will for all intents and purposes, enter paradise after death. The Nazi campaign, for the most part, wasn't lead by mentally ill psychopaths with a thirst for cooking some Jews. They were lead by completely sane, normal individuals who totally and fervently believed in the toxic ideology they espoused. Ideas are the biggest impetus for human behaviour.
http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2014/08/what-jihadists-who-bought-islam-dummies-amazon-tell-us-about-radicalisationSome evidence suggests that the influence of Islamic ideology may have little to do with why some become extremists though.
Two guys did that. Two.
Theological values motivate behaviour just as much as secular values.
Quote from: Maverick on March 05, 2015, 10:31:50 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 05, 2015, 02:00:50 AMTwo guys did that. Two.You don't think that this could be indicative of a larger number, just without solid evidence, such as, for example, Jihadi John? >larger number>mentions one dude everybody's obsessed with because he televised shit thousands other of Muslims have done Can we not give these losers nicknames and mystify them? He's just some fucking serial killer. And no, the Quran does say this shit and these people obey that book. It's a violent religion.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 05, 2015, 02:00:50 AMTwo guys did that. Two.You don't think that this could be indicative of a larger number, just without solid evidence, such as, for example, Jihadi John?
*coughs*Islam is 1400 years old, and Islamic Extremism as we see now has existed for less than 30.*coughs*
Vegetarianism does not connote pacifism.
Or an extremist Rastafarim, yeah.But the thing is when we talk about extremism; we usually mean violent extremism.I think extremism is bad in any sense because it can blind you.
It's not just limited to religion either; people can be violent against something they really dislike.A classic example would be homophobia or transphobia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bashing
That is different from person to person, and there are plenty of people who aren't religious who hate LGBT people and plenty of religious people who take no issue with it.I met a vicar a couple of years ago who was perfectly happy to talk about boys with me.
Extremist beliefs aren't the issue
