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So then how do you propose stopping these home grown terrorists, and why is it that countries who haven't accepted any refugees haven't had these same problems? It goes beyond just the terrorist attacks, crime in general has gone up too.
See my post above. "But X doesn't have the same problems" is a flawed argument. Countries that didn't let in refugees still see terrorist attacks (see Hungary in 2016) and others that do account for immigrants (Bulgaria, Austria) haven't. These attacks are aimed at high profile Western targets and I don't see a sufficient case made that it's countries letting in refugees which causes these attacks.

And immigrants causing crime to go up is also such a shoddy and incorrect argument. There are plenty of studies out there on the lack of strong links between immigration and crime, and there's even more and more and more and more and even more analyses out there on how what you say does not hold true for the current situation in Europe.

As for some examples of countries which have taken in refugees:

Belgium - Lowest crime rates in 20 years.

EU as a whole - Crime rates dropped as a whole, in particular for assault, theft, homicide, robbery, burglarly.

Germany - Violent and general crime rates continue to fall ever more despite the influx of immigrants.

Sweden - effects of immigration on crime are small and crime stats of the most recent year are virtually identical to the year before while violent and most other forms of crime are lower than they were before the influx of immigrants.
fake news


 
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In other news, Manchester United won the Europa League, so maybe that'll give the city a bit of a boost as well.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Do any of you have any idea how ugly deportation is? Of course you don't. You think people are kindly escorted out of the country on an air conditioned bus. Human rights are constantly violated and the places illegal immigrants are imprisoned in prior to deportation they're subject to what can be considered torture from sadistic guards.

You guys really think a Muslim version of the trail of tears is a solution? You're out of your fucking minds.
I mean... I'd prefer a muslim version of the holohoax-but-actually-happening, but I'm under no illusions about how ridiculously dirty forced removal becomes.


 
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one of my friends best friend died  in the bombing

I talked to him about it, but this is really shit


 
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one of my friends best friend died  in the bombing

I talked to him about it, but this is really shit
Wow, that's horrible. I'm so sorry.


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
one of my friends best friend died  in the bombing

I talked to him about it, but this is really shit

I'm tired and that took me a few times to read because I thought it said you talked to your best friend that had died.


But that is shit.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
one of my friends best friend died  in the bombing

I talked to him about it, but this is really shit

I'm tired and that took me a few times to read because I thought it said you talked to your best friend that had died.


But that is shit.
okay, I'm somewhat relieved that someone else admitted to it first 'cause I did that too.


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Do any of you have any idea how ugly deportation is? Of course you don't. You think people are kindly escorted out of the country on an air conditioned bus. Human rights are constantly violated and the places illegal immigrants are imprisoned in prior to deportation they're subject to what can be considered torture from sadistic guards.

You guys really think a Muslim version of the trail of tears is a solution? You're out of your fucking minds.
What are the human rights in the middle east?


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If you know, you know.
Whistleblowers should be shot in the street
What do you have against referees?
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Do any of you have any idea how ugly deportation is? Of course you don't. You think people are kindly escorted out of the country on an air conditioned bus. Human rights are constantly violated and the places illegal immigrants are imprisoned in prior to deportation they're subject to what can be considered torture from sadistic guards.

You guys really think a Muslim version of the trail of tears is a solution? You're out of your fucking minds.
What are the human rights in the middle east?
About the same as in Russia, China, Vietnam, etc. I think the promotion of human rights lies strongest with Western Nations because we idealize individual liberties. Not so much in the East.


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Don't have to deport muslims. You can just say you are not allowed to practice Islam here. If they ask why you can just say because we are not allowed to practice our religion in their country.
You can in a lot of those nations though

You can think of a better reason than that
"But I moved to America because I wanted to get away from an oppressive regi-"

"SHUT UP SHITSKIN. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO HOME. LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE."


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Also, how would "stop Muslims from practicing Islam" accomplish literally anything?

You guys know that there are literally passages in the Quran that state that you're allowed to lie about your religion if you are being persecuted for it, and that masquerading as a non-Muslim in such a case is a righteous and holy thing to do, right?

Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.


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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.


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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.


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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.


 
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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.
Lmao literally toddler logic

Apparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?


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Also, how would "stop Muslims from practicing Islam" accomplish literally anything?

You guys know that there are literally passages in the Quran that state that you're allowed to lie about your religion if you are being persecuted for it, and that masquerading as a non-Muslim in such a case is a righteous and holy thing to do, right?

Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.
Taqiyya is more of a Shia thing. And at the same time it's not something you would see happen because if the American government were to start shutting down mosques and banning Islam it would be more important to practice jihad, not taqiyya. To practice jihad is to struggle in the name of Islam.
Yeah but I doubt the average person would want to go full sword-jihad, even if the government started doing shit like that.


 
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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.
Lmao literally toddler logic

Apparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?
When have liberals cared about the constitution? Islam is a violent religion. It cannot be allowed no longer.


 
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can we agree to never use the word "unconstitutional" as if the constitution should be the basis for literally anything


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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.
Lmao literally toddler logic

Apparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?
When have liberals cared about the constitution? Islam is a violent religion. It cannot be allowed no longer.
So when people you disagree with want to forget the constitution, they're horrible cretins, but when you disagree with the constitution, that's just levelheadedness?

Also "it cannot be allowed no longer" lmao
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Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?

Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deported

And besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.
Lmao literally toddler logic

Apparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?
When have liberals cared about the constitution? Islam is a violent religion. It cannot be allowed no longer.
So when people you disagree with want to forget the constitution, they're horrible cretins, but when you disagree with the constitution, that's just levelheadedness?

Also "it cannot be allowed to longer" lmao
I didn't bring this constitution nonsense into discussion. I only said we shouldn't tolerate Islam because it's a violent religion which it is.


 
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Ah yes, Karjala is still preaching a ban on Islam.

And you lot are still arguing with him.


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Ah yes, Karjala is still preaching a ban on Islam.

And you lot are still arguing with him.
I mean, why not.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.
There are quite a substantial amount of passages about violence and conquering, though.

The sparse peaceful verses that do exist are only superseded by the violent ones, and that's only because the peaceful passages are referring to practising Muslims.

Yeah, the Q'uran might not be the serial killing cookbook Trumpanzees make it out to be, but it's not inaccurate to say it's a heavily violent book.
Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 09:00:45 AM by The Hidden Gabber


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Islam ban would never have to be enforced if politicians were smart and patriotic. Nazism was eradicated, the same could be done to Islam.