Apparently the issue of whether or not college should be free is beyond the scope of what I understand about economics or schooling, so I usually keep quiet in this sort of argument despite my gut telling me that everyone should have a right to be educated to the fullest extent possible. I think that's undeniably a good thing in principle, but I'm sure there are practical issues associated with getting that ball rolling.

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:47:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:25:13 PM

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

You need an education to do anything for society.

So factory workers can't do anything for society? The peasants did nothing for society? News to me.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:52:45 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:47:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:25:13 PM

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

You need an education to do anything for society.

So factory workers can't do anything for society? The peasants did nothing for society? News to me.

Aren't robots replacing all of that stuff, anyway?

Not fully, and not any time soon.

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:47:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:25:13 PM

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

You need an education to do anything for society.

So factory workers can't do anything for society? The peasants did nothing for society? News to me.

You need an education to do anything worthwhile for society.

because most of us are rational people who care for others more than we care for ourselves

fuck the self

caring about society doesn't tie back to jack shit

and even if it did, who fucking cares--the important thing is that society is better now, regardless of how you personally feel about it, good or bad

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 11:00:01 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:52:45 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:47:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:25:13 PM

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

You need an education to do anything for society.

So factory workers can't do anything for society? The peasants did nothing for society? News to me.

You need an education to do anything worthwhile for society.

There are varying levels of education for varying levels of jobs.

...Yyyyyyes.

And everyone should have free access to it all.

What's your point?

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 11:13:06 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 11:00:01 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:52:45 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 10:47:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 10:25:13 PM

A country comprised entirely of educated people is incontrovertibly good.

How good is it when none of their education does anything for society?

You need an education to do anything for society.

So factory workers can't do anything for society? The peasants did nothing for society? News to me.

You need an education to do anything worthwhile for society.

There are varying levels of education for varying levels of jobs.

...Yyyyyyes.

And everyone should have free access to it all.

What's your point?

No, because we have no use for a society of over-educated people. Education costs money, for society to run most efficiently it shouldn't waste money on things that aren't needed.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 24, 2016, 11:16:41 PM

No, because we have no use for a society of over-educated people. Education costs money, for society to run most efficiently it shouldn't waste money on things that aren't needed.

We have no use for uneducated people, either.

Please tell me--in your mind, what is the correct amount of uneducated people to have?

Depends how much manual labour we intend to do.

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 11:15:37 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 24, 2016, 11:09:12 PM

because most of us are rational people who care for others more than we care for ourselves

okay, i won't say "most of us"

most of us are fucking retards who care more about the self than anything else

but let's not blanket all people under that--let's not pretend that's how we SHOULD think

We all care about ourselves. It is our natural state. Inescapable on our own. Ultimately, your love for your fellow man has its roots in your ego. And there's nothing wrong with admitting that. It is okay to do things just because you like them. It doesn't make it any less good, as long as you still do what you think is good.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about him adhering to the spook of collectivism if he were willing to admit that he does so because it makes him feel good? Or what if he doesn't admit it?

Fuck self-interest.

I may be acting out of it, but I'd do away with it entirely if I could.

That would require you to a hive mind. Even then, were you the hub of that hivemind, and hence the only really thinking part, you would still be acting in self interest.

Your apparent disdain for basic rules of logic is really silly.

That would require you to a hive mind.

Literally nothing wrong with this. At all.

Your apparent disdain for basic rules of logic is really silly.

So is yours.

I see. So your care for society is what you want. Unspooked, then, since it is acknowledged.

And I don't disagree that the Self isn't end-all-be-all. It is ultimately better to find an Absolute outside of the Self to bow to. This allows both fulfillment and transcendence of the self. Yours is the human race, mine is the triune God of Christianity.

Yeah. Last night, when I referred to the collective of humanity as a "god," I was really just trying to get you to identify with my thought process, being a theist and all.

You claim to have had a moment of divine intervention or something that impelled you to become a Christian--that's fine. Knowing that, though, I was just trying to get you to see how I have an almost theistic (perhaps buddhist) devotion to things like the ending of all suffering, and the suchlike.

So I don't actively view humans as gods--that was just my way of communicating to you that's sort of where my ideology is rooted. It's self-interest, but it's based on rational things, such as empathy--and any self-gratification I get from my beliefs is ultimately outweighed by the positive outcomes of my beliefs, even if it's just conjectural. I wanted you to understand precisely where I get my morals from in a godless universe. Maybe I wasn't articulate enough, but I don't know. It worked with Jim.