Explain to me why college should be """""""free""""""" please

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It should not be free.

However, costs are quite a bit out of control


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
i think the gist is that if college is free then more people will go, if more people go then you have a populace which is better educated.

if a country can make it work without too much of drastic change then i don't see why it shouldn't be free or at the very least affordable
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i think the gist is that if college is free then more people will go, if more people go then you have a populace which is better educated.

if a country can make it work without too much of drastic change then i don't see why it shouldn't be free or at the very least affordable
In this sense it is both still a personal investment (albeit less so financially) and also a social/economic investment the same way lower levels of education already are.


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The system we have in the UK is decent, if only tuition fees hadn't been tripled.


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I'd imagine that more accessibility would produce greater economic mobility.


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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
i think the gist is that if college is free then more people will go, if more people go then you have a populace which is better educated.
But we already have """""""""""""free"""""""""""" education that everyone attends

It's called public school and it is open to everyone from the age of 5 to 18

why not just make that better, if the objective is simply to make the population "more smarterer"
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But we already have """""""""""""free"""""""""""" education that everyone attends

It's called public school and it is open to everyone from the age of 5 to 18

why not just make that better, if the objective is simply to make the population "more smarterer"
At some point people need to specialize their knowledge. We shouldn't necessarily focus on making everyone smart at everything.


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Because it's easier to make it taxpayer subsidized than it is to make universities reel in their absurd costs.

We already have taxpayer subsidized K-12 education. I don't see why people aren't bothered by that, too.


 
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i think the gist is that if college is free then more people will go, if more people go then you have a populace which is better educated.
But we already have """""""""""""free"""""""""""" education that everyone attends

It's called public school and it is open to everyone from the age of 5 to 18

why not just make that better, if the objective is simply to make the population "more smarterer"
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Because it's easier to make it taxpayer subsidized than it is to make universities reel in their absurd costs.

We already have taxpayer subsidized K-12 education. I don't see why people aren't bothered by that, too.
Considerably cheaper to educate kids with whiteboards and printed paper than the equipment and hands on programs you need to educate workers into their field.


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right. Public schools are already working on this to one degree or another.

My high school offered an agriculture track, an auto mechanic track, and cooperated with the local hospital and community college to offer nursing training to Juniors and Seniors. I wouldn't mind increased spending to expand and diversify programs like these.
Me neither, actually. We had some of the same. But we didn't have programs for many things people were interested in college for. Rather than transfer responsibilities from one to the other, why not focus on improving the existing the infrastructure for those programs?


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We already have taxpayer subsidized K-12 education. I don't see why people aren't bothered by that, too.
A lot of us have been fighting tooth and nail here to change the way that PA allows schools to procure their taxpayer funds, if that counts.


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How exactly do we make universities charge less? Ask them nicely?


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How exactly do we make universities charge less? Ask them nicely?

One significant reason for rising tuition costs is the government's increasing willingness to subsidize them.


 
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right. Public schools are already working on this to one degree or another.

My high school offered an agriculture track, an auto mechanic track, and cooperated with the local hospital and community college to offer nursing training to Juniors and Seniors. I wouldn't mind increased spending to expand and diversify programs like these.
Me neither, actually. We had some of the same. But we didn't have programs for many things people were interested in college for. Rather than transfer responsibilities from one to the other, why not focus on improving the existing the infrastructure for those programs?
Because preparing laborers for the workplace has never been the responsibility of the higher education system.

This notion that one "needs" college to live a successful life is relatively new.

What I really don't know is why there is so little emphasis on learning trades today. It doesn't seem to have been such a problem in the past.
Trades? You mean like, skilled manual labor? Eww, that's so beneath me and everyone else who has some form of higher learning experience. Why would anyone ever want to pay to learn how to labor for only 45 grand a year?


 
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How exactly do we make universities charge less? Ask them nicely?

One significant reason for rising tuition costs is the government's increasing willingness to subsidize them.
Why exactly does them getting more money from government mean they have to charge more? Honest question.