lol

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 04, 2014, 01:22:49 PM

And how many of those jobs "created" are people that got a second and third job? Oh, and that unemployment number is only those that are unemployed while trying to find jobs. The actual unemployment rate is far higher

http://rt.com/usa/us-unemployment-rate-percent-808/
This is 2012 but:

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The US government’s official unemployment rate, now at 8.3 percent, only takes into consideration those who have no job and are looking for work. This number is called a “U-3” rate. It does not count those who have stopped looking for work or who are working part-time.

The US Bureau of Labor Statistics takes these other factors into consideration for data it calls the “U-6” – and these numbers are shockingly higher.

U-6 data includes “discouraged workers,” which the Bureau defines as people not in the labor force, but want and are available for work and had looked for a job in the prior year.

Those who have not looked for work in the prior month are not included in the U-3 unemployment rate.

Our economy is a bloated, inflated joke being masked with lies to make it seem like everything is dandy. It's not and until we actually get politicians not bought and bribed (probably never) then the economy is going to be a tank full of shit

Are you seriously using RussiaToday? Lol.

Problem? It uses information from the Bureau of Labor

RT is such horseshit.

First of all, your link says nothing about 7,100,000. You need to provide a source to back up that claim.

U3 is used officially for a lot of reasons. Stock market stability, peace of mind for the consumer, investor. Showing a lower number helps improve th economy, because people get their financial confidence back. They don't call them economic depressions for nothing. They aren't trying to hide anything. It's all there for everybody to see, it took the both of us like 3 seconds to Google U6. Nothing is hidden. The world economy has more to gain by having a more relaxed population. It increases spending, buying, selling. It stimulates the economy when people see 5.9% instead of 11%.

Obama has kept promises. He would've kept a lot more if he wasn't getting blocked by Republicans every time he tries to do something. They refuse to pass bills written by fellow Republicans trying to be passed by Obama and Democrats. Had the Tea Party not taken the Republicans over, the country would be a lot better. Obama is a way better president than Bush.

It actually does. Look at the table and under Sept. 2014 look at the number of 7,100. That's in thousands and shows exactly the amount of people with more than one job

And that's my point why U3 is bad: Because it's a number that doesn't actually represent the number of unemployed people. They are hiding it by stating the lower percentage than the higher. Ask anybody what the unemployment number is and they'll say in the ball park of 5% because that's the number being used

Obama has actually lied about a few things, notably saying he would close Guantanamo, allow people to keep their plans and doctors, reduce Veterans Benefits Administration claims backlog, won't sign statements to nullify instructions from Congress, made promises to not push for gun control, and other things. And why are you blaming just the Republicans? Because the Democrats have blocked bills introduced by Republicans plenty of times. It's childish behavior on BOTH sides and BOTH sides are at fault. There actually used to be a time where both parties worked together and despite how much they argued during a session, that didn't stop them form meeting up and having a few beers. That's when American politics were not the joke like it is today 

>tfw you're one of the 11.8%

FTFY

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 04, 2014, 06:30:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 04, 2014, 05:46:53 PM

First of all, your link says nothing about 7,100,000. You need to provide a source to back up that claim.

U3 is used officially for a lot of reasons. Stock market stability, peace of mind for the consumer, investor. Showing a lower number helps improve th economy, because people get their financial confidence back. They don't call them economic depressions for nothing. They aren't trying to hide anything. It's all there for everybody to see, it took the both of us like 3 seconds to Google U6. Nothing is hidden. The world economy has more to gain by having a more relaxed population. It increases spending, buying, selling. It stimulates the economy when people see 5.9% instead of 11%.

Obama has kept promises. He would've kept a lot more if he wasn't getting blocked by Republicans every time he tries to do something. They refuse to pass bills written by fellow Republicans trying to be passed by Obama and Democrats. Had the Tea Party not taken the Republicans over, the country would be a lot better. Obama is a way better president than Bush.

It actually does. Look at the table and under Sept. 2014 look at the number of 7,100. That's in thousands and shows exactly the amount of people with more than one job

And that's my point why U3 is bad: Because it's a number that doesn't actually represent the number of unemployed people. They are hiding it by stating the lower percentage than the higher. Ask anybody what the unemployment number is and they'll say in the ball park of 5% because that's the number being used

Obama has actually lied about a few things, notably saying he would close Guantanamo, allow people to keep their plans and doctors, reduce Veterans Benefits Administration claims backlog, won't sign statements to nullify instructions from Congress, made promises to not push for gun control, and other things. And why are you blaming just the Republicans? Because the Democrats have blocked bills introduced by Republicans plenty of times. It's childish behavior on BOTH sides and BOTH sides are at fault. There actually used to be a time where both parties worked together and despite how much they argued during a session, that didn't stop them form meeting up and having a few beers. That's when American politics were not the joke like it is today

I already told you why U3 is used. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

And like I said, you haven't provided a source detailing how the majority of these new jobs are all taken by people as second and third jobs.

He tried to close down Guantanamo, republicans blocked that. In fact, most right wing people were fear mongering acting like he was going to set the terrorists free and not relocate them to other prisons.

I don't remember him saying he wasn't going to ouch for gun control. Also, people have been able to keep their doctors. Again, these are things blown out of proportion by the republicans, and they outright fabricating stories when it came to Obama Care.

The republicans are way more at fault, and are at a point where they're blocking almost everything and threw a tantrum and got the government shut down because Obama Care was approved. And don't say democrats didn't want to negotiate, because the negotiations the republicans wanted was either everything in their favor of no discussion at all.

I already told you why U3 is bad

Exactly when did I say majority? I asked how many of those jobs are those with multiple jobs. Continue to twist what I say to make yourself look smart

Oh, you mean the time where Obama threatened to veto the House version of the Bill before it went to the Senate? Yeah, such maturity on Obama's part by not listening to the other side

Oh, he did

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/14/obama-many-folks-will-lose-their-doctors-under-obamacare/
Remember when Obama was going on about who we can keep our doctors and insurance plans? Now he's taken a 180 now and said people will have to loose their doctors. It's not fabricating stories when the stories are real

Both sides are at fault. Democrats and Obama threaten to block/veto any House bill with Obama using executive orders to get what he wants. Democrats and Obama also failed to work with Republicans to form an effective health care plan that would be in the interest of all Americans. But now with it passed, many Democrats who opposed Republican measures are now basically saying the Republicans were right and have no distance themselves from the tax in order to get reelected

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 05, 2014, 08:41:48 AM

Quote from: challengerX on October 05, 2014, 05:18:42 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 04, 2014, 06:30:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 04, 2014, 05:46:53 PM

First of all, your link says nothing about 7,100,000. You need to provide a source to back up that claim.

U3 is used officially for a lot of reasons. Stock market stability, peace of mind for the consumer, investor. Showing a lower number helps improve th economy, because people get their financial confidence back. They don't call them economic depressions for nothing. They aren't trying to hide anything. It's all there for everybody to see, it took the both of us like 3 seconds to Google U6. Nothing is hidden. The world economy has more to gain by having a more relaxed population. It increases spending, buying, selling. It stimulates the economy when people see 5.9% instead of 11%.

Obama has kept promises. He would've kept a lot more if he wasn't getting blocked by Republicans every time he tries to do something. They refuse to pass bills written by fellow Republicans trying to be passed by Obama and Democrats. Had the Tea Party not taken the Republicans over, the country would be a lot better. Obama is a way better president than Bush.

It actually does. Look at the table and under Sept. 2014 look at the number of 7,100. That's in thousands and shows exactly the amount of people with more than one job

And that's my point why U3 is bad: Because it's a number that doesn't actually represent the number of unemployed people. They are hiding it by stating the lower percentage than the higher. Ask anybody what the unemployment number is and they'll say in the ball park of 5% because that's the number being used

Obama has actually lied about a few things, notably saying he would close Guantanamo, allow people to keep their plans and doctors, reduce Veterans Benefits Administration claims backlog, won't sign statements to nullify instructions from Congress, made promises to not push for gun control, and other things. And why are you blaming just the Republicans? Because the Democrats have blocked bills introduced by Republicans plenty of times. It's childish behavior on BOTH sides and BOTH sides are at fault. There actually used to be a time where both parties worked together and despite how much they argued during a session, that didn't stop them form meeting up and having a few beers. That's when American politics were not the joke like it is today

I already told you why U3 is used. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

And like I said, you haven't provided a source detailing how the majority of these new jobs are all taken by people as second and third jobs.

He tried to close down Guantanamo, republicans blocked that. In fact, most right wing people were fear mongering acting like he was going to set the terrorists free and not relocate them to other prisons.

I don't remember him saying he wasn't going to ouch for gun control. Also, people have been able to keep their doctors. Again, these are things blown out of proportion by the republicans, and they outright fabricating stories when it came to Obama Care.

The republicans are way more at fault, and are at a point where they're blocking almost everything and threw a tantrum and got the government shut down because Obama Care was approved. And don't say democrats didn't want to negotiate, because the negotiations the republicans wanted was either everything in their favor of no discussion at all.

I already told you why U3 is bad

Exactly when did I say majority? I asked how many of those jobs are those with multiple jobs. Continue to twist what I say to make yourself look smart

Oh, you mean the time where Obama threatened to veto the House version of the Bill before it went to the Senate? Yeah, such maturity on Obama's part by not listening to the other side

Oh, he did

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/14/obama-many-folks-will-lose-their-doctors-under-obamacare/
Remember when Obama was going on about who we can keep our doctors and insurance plans? Now he's taken a 180 now and said people will have to loose their doctors. It's not fabricating stories when the stories are real

Both sides are at fault. Democrats and Obama threaten to block/veto any House bill with Obama using executive orders to get what he wants. Democrats and Obama also failed to work with Republicans to form an effective health care plan that would be in the interest of all Americans. But now with it passed, many Democrats who opposed Republican measures are now basically saying the Republicans were right and have no distance themselves from the tax in order to get reelected

No you didn't. There's nothing wrong with U3. All you said is that the government is lying. It isn't. Anybody can look up U6. Every country states their unemployment like this.

Obama has always listened to the other side. He hasn't taken anybody's guns. People were going to keep their doctors until it got mangled by the republicans. Even then, Obama Care is still great and cheap.

And by fabrication I mean those stories released by Fox News and republican politicians where people said they had no insurance coverage anymore. Journalists tracked these people down, and it turned out they hadn't even gone to the page to sign up.

The sissy democrats who have turned their back on Obama are just as bad as the republicans. It's funny how you always both sides are equally at fault when it isn't true at all and republicans are mostly to blame, and you always focus on the things some democrats have done. Of course Obama is going to use executive orders, the republicans do not want to work with him and stop everything he tries to do. Everything. They're worse than do nothing congress of the last century. I wonder why that is?

You don't have a leg to stand on. Your arguments are childish, uninformed, and downright ridiculous. You're wasting your time arguing about something, when we can all go see U6 on the Internet. Nothing is hidden. If you can't understand why this U3 is used officially after I've explained it to you time and time again, you're arguing for arguments sake. You don't have anything to say really, you just keep rehashing the tired old conservative "HES TAKIN OUR FREEDOMS" while claiming to be a libertarian. There is no right and wrong unemployment rate or conspiracy to make people think everything is ok. Both rates are useful.

http://nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2013/07/14/there-is-no-true-unemployment-rate/

Maybe if you read what I posted, then you would see it. U3 gives a false impression on the economy. It's a  mask and the government and media relying on it 24/7 makes people falsely assume the economy is improving when it's not

Lol, he doesn't listen to the other side because he threatened to veto the House bill and continues to do that. Actually he has; he signed an executive order banning imports from Kalashnikov Concern which prevents any more Saiga shotguns and rifles. On top of that, he hasn't prevented the likes on Connecticut from telling it's citizens to either hand over their AR-15 sporting rifles or be branded as a criminal thus neglecting his abilities to uphold the 2nd Amendment (I'm the last person you want to debate guns with)

Except those stories are not fabricated. People lost their insurance plans when Obama explicitly said that people would keep them. Stop trying to sugar coat the whole ordeal

Those "sissy" Democrats are not terrible. Those are the sane members of the Democrat party and as long as they support the right to bear arms and won't try to pull another Assault Weapons Ban then I will support them

It's funny how you're not Democrat yet you suck their dicks and will defend them no matter what. If you're so hell bent on defending them then don't criticize somebody from defending the opposite. Hypocrisy much?

Republicans actually want to work with Obama but him using executive orders makes no difference to Republicans because they know in whatever situation, Obama will throw a hissy fit and use his "power" to get what he wants.

How can something be childish, uniformed, and ridiculous when it's all fact? You seriously have an issue when somebody proves you wrong. Here's a wild fact: Libertarians are for freedom and know exactly that Obama is trying to take them away

U6 is being hidden because the media and government only focuses on U3. As I said, ask somebody the unemployment percentage and they will guess around 5%

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 05, 2014, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: challengerX on October 05, 2014, 09:13:09 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 05, 2014, 08:41:48 AM

Quote from: challengerX on October 05, 2014, 05:18:42 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 04, 2014, 06:30:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 04, 2014, 05:46:53 PM

First of all, your link says nothing about 7,100,000. You need to provide a source to back up that claim.

U3 is used officially for a lot of reasons. Stock market stability, peace of mind for the consumer, investor. Showing a lower number helps improve th economy, because people get their financial confidence back. They don't call them economic depressions for nothing. They aren't trying to hide anything. It's all there for everybody to see, it took the both of us like 3 seconds to Google U6. Nothing is hidden. The world economy has more to gain by having a more relaxed population. It increases spending, buying, selling. It stimulates the economy when people see 5.9% instead of 11%.

Obama has kept promises. He would've kept a lot more if he wasn't getting blocked by Republicans every time he tries to do something. They refuse to pass bills written by fellow Republicans trying to be passed by Obama and Democrats. Had the Tea Party not taken the Republicans over, the country would be a lot better. Obama is a way better president than Bush.

It actually does. Look at the table and under Sept. 2014 look at the number of 7,100. That's in thousands and shows exactly the amount of people with more than one job

And that's my point why U3 is bad: Because it's a number that doesn't actually represent the number of unemployed people. They are hiding it by stating the lower percentage than the higher. Ask anybody what the unemployment number is and they'll say in the ball park of 5% because that's the number being used

Obama has actually lied about a few things, notably saying he would close Guantanamo, allow people to keep their plans and doctors, reduce Veterans Benefits Administration claims backlog, won't sign statements to nullify instructions from Congress, made promises to not push for gun control, and other things. And why are you blaming just the Republicans? Because the Democrats have blocked bills introduced by Republicans plenty of times. It's childish behavior on BOTH sides and BOTH sides are at fault. There actually used to be a time where both parties worked together and despite how much they argued during a session, that didn't stop them form meeting up and having a few beers. That's when American politics were not the joke like it is today

I already told you why U3 is used. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

And like I said, you haven't provided a source detailing how the majority of these new jobs are all taken by people as second and third jobs.

He tried to close down Guantanamo, republicans blocked that. In fact, most right wing people were fear mongering acting like he was going to set the terrorists free and not relocate them to other prisons.

I don't remember him saying he wasn't going to ouch for gun control. Also, people have been able to keep their doctors. Again, these are things blown out of proportion by the republicans, and they outright fabricating stories when it came to Obama Care.

The republicans are way more at fault, and are at a point where they're blocking almost everything and threw a tantrum and got the government shut down because Obama Care was approved. And don't say democrats didn't want to negotiate, because the negotiations the republicans wanted was either everything in their favor of no discussion at all.

I already told you why U3 is bad

Exactly when did I say majority? I asked how many of those jobs are those with multiple jobs. Continue to twist what I say to make yourself look smart

Oh, you mean the time where Obama threatened to veto the House version of the Bill before it went to the Senate? Yeah, such maturity on Obama's part by not listening to the other side

Oh, he did

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/14/obama-many-folks-will-lose-their-doctors-under-obamacare/
Remember when Obama was going on about who we can keep our doctors and insurance plans? Now he's taken a 180 now and said people will have to loose their doctors. It's not fabricating stories when the stories are real

Both sides are at fault. Democrats and Obama threaten to block/veto any House bill with Obama using executive orders to get what he wants. Democrats and Obama also failed to work with Republicans to form an effective health care plan that would be in the interest of all Americans. But now with it passed, many Democrats who opposed Republican measures are now basically saying the Republicans were right and have no distance themselves from the tax in order to get reelected

No you didn't. There's nothing wrong with U3. All you said is that the government is lying. It isn't. Anybody can look up U6. Every country states their unemployment like this.

Obama has always listened to the other side. He hasn't taken anybody's guns. People were going to keep their doctors until it got mangled by the republicans. Even then, Obama Care is still great and cheap.

And by fabrication I mean those stories released by Fox News and republican politicians where people said they had no insurance coverage anymore. Journalists tracked these people down, and it turned out they hadn't even gone to the page to sign up.

The sissy democrats who have turned their back on Obama are just as bad as the republicans. It's funny how you always both sides are equally at fault when it isn't true at all and republicans are mostly to blame, and you always focus on the things some democrats have done. Of course Obama is going to use executive orders, the republicans do not want to work with him and stop everything he tries to do. Everything. They're worse than do nothing congress of the last century. I wonder why that is?

You don't have a leg to stand on. Your arguments are childish, uninformed, and downright ridiculous. You're wasting your time arguing about something, when we can all go see U6 on the Internet. Nothing is hidden. If you can't understand why this U3 is used officially after I've explained it to you time and time again, you're arguing for arguments sake. You don't have anything to say really, you just keep rehashing the tired old conservative "HES TAKIN OUR FREEDOMS" while claiming to be a libertarian. There is no right and wrong unemployment rate or conspiracy to make people think everything is ok. Both rates are useful.

http://nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2013/07/14/there-is-no-true-unemployment-rate/

Maybe if you read what I posted, then you would see it. U3 gives a false impression on the economy. It's a  mask and the government and media relying on it 24/7 makes people falsely assume the economy is improving when it's not

Lol, he doesn't listen to the other side because he threatened to veto the House bill and continues to do that. Actually he has; he signed an executive order banning imports from Kalashnikov Concern which prevents any more Saiga shotguns and rifles. On top of that, he hasn't prevented the likes on Connecticut from telling it's citizens to either hand over their AR-15 sporting rifles or be branded as a criminal thus neglecting his abilities to uphold the 2nd Amendment (I'm the last person you want to debate guns with)

Except those stories are not fabricated. People lost their insurance plans when Obama explicitly said that people would keep them. Stop trying to sugar coat the whole ordeal

Those "sissy" Democrats are not terrible. Those are the sane members of the Democrat party and as long as they support the right to bear arms and won't try to pull another Assault Weapons Ban then I will support them

It's funny how you're not Democrat yet you suck their dicks and will defend them no matter what. If you're so hell bent on defending them then don't criticize somebody from defending the opposite. Hypocrisy much?

Republicans actually want to work with Obama but him using executive orders makes no difference to Republicans because they know in whatever situation, Obama will throw a hissy fit and use his "power" to get what he wants.

How can something be childish, uniformed, and ridiculous when it's all fact? You seriously have an issue when somebody proves you wrong. Here's a wild fact: Libertarians are for freedom and know exactly that Obama is trying to take them away

U6 is being hidden because the media and government only focuses on U3. As I said, ask somebody the unemployment percentage and they will guess around 5%

It doesn't give a false impression. It's a different report. I told you why it's used. That is all this thread is about, unemployment. U6 isn't hidden, as it takes 20 seconds to look it up on Google, where the government itself provides the information. There's no secrecy.

But seeing how you want to go completely off topic in my thread, I guess we're talking about something else now aren't we?

They lost insurance, but they never applied for Obama Care, they never even visited the page.

Banning imports does not mean he is ordering the police to forcefully take away guns. Not interfering with a local government imposing a law which bans something with guns, does not mean he is taking guns. You're wrong there. Again, you're twisting things.

Nope, the democrats who do not support Obama are slaves to big corporations and are as bad as the majority of republicans. Fact is, I don't like the democrats. I like Obama. I say to vote democrat because they're the lesser of two evils. I criticize when you say democrats are as bad as reublicans, because they're not.

Republicans don't want to work with Obama, they block everything he tries to do. I remember a bill written by a Republican was blocked by republicans because it was later proposed by democrats and endorsed by Obama. Remember the shut down? A republican said (this is a direct quote) "We will not be disrespected like this. We need to get something from this. I don't know what, but we need to get something."

Your arguments are childish, uninformed, and ridiculous because you take things and twist them to try and prove your point.

Again, U6 isn't hidden. It's provided by the government. There's nothing "hidden" about it, seeing how we both found it.

I does give a false impression. It's a false impression because the government is throwing around a number much smaller than the actual unemployment rate

Funny, because you said I hate Obama and just gave a few simple reasons why. Then you went on about them. The only derailment here is yourself

It's quite evident that no matter how many times I state something factually, you try to disregard it and twist it around into your favor. If you can't debate properly then don't use this forum

Don't make me lock the thread you two.

Quote from: Kiyohime on October 05, 2014, 12:37:09 PM

Don't make me lock the thread you two.

We're just having a conversation.

Still, reports were filed. Keep it civil yeah?