Quote from: Azumarill on May 15, 2015, 09:58:31 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 15, 2015, 09:38:42 PM

And really, why can't we fucking murder his family for thinking their failure of a son is innocent?

Because that isn't justice.

Yes it is. More intelligence in the gene pool.

The death penalty is never the answer.

The death penalty is never the answer.

Also, don't expect this to be quick. There are so many appeals and delays possible that this will still take years before the judgment is final. And then, the average time a US convict spends on death row is over 15 years, with more and more people dying while awaiting their execution than by the actual hands of their executioner, and cases of people spending up to 40 years on death row are not unheard of.

So for those hoping to see blood, I hope you are prepared to wait another decade or two.

>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier execution

qeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 16, 2015, 07:29:25 AM

>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier execution

qeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.

>caring how he dies
>caring if we get to see him die
>caring how long it takes
>madman mordo
>never said anything insightful in his life

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 11:19:15 AM

That decade long appeals process is a fucking colossal waste of taxpayer money. It's cheaper and better to just let him rot in ISO in ADX Florence.

for DECADES?

seems like that would cost more, actually

Criminal defense dttorney Peter Elikann said one reason death row costs more is "because today there are many more constitutional safeguards built into the appeals process."
And, he said, that can go on for decades.
"There's a variety of expenses. It's not just the housing which is more expensive on death row. The trials themselves, every step of the way you have a right to numerous lawyers," he said.
And Criminal defense attorney J.W. Carney agrees. He defended Whitey Bulger and told FOX25 that it cost the federal government several millions to carry out that trial, which was not a capital punishment case.
"In federal court, a lawyer who is handling a death penalty appeal gets paid 50 percent more than someone who is pursuing an appeal in a life without parole type of case," Carney said.
He went on to say, "Lawyers understand if they lose an appeal where life imprisonment is the end the client will still be living, but if you lose a death penalty case, your client is killed."
Carney also says incarceration is much more expensive for someone who is awaiting the death penalty, than someone serving a life sentence. He pointed to research that found it's as much as $100,000 more per year.
In Supermax, where Tsarnaev might wind up, he'll be in isolation 23 hours a day, and will require less supervision because he won't be able to mingle with other inmates.
However, on death row, prisoners are afforded more rights and have more freedoms and that costs more money.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 16, 2015, 07:29:25 AM

>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier execution

qeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.

>caring how he dies
>caring if we get to see him die
>caring how long it takes
>madman mordo
>never said anything insightful in his life

Quote from: eggsalad on May 16, 2015, 03:29:02 PM

What is considered a worse punishment is a matter of the sentenced's opinion, I don't know why people try to act otherwise.

In this case, what we should be considering is how prudent our decisions are. We could sentence him to death, keep him in ADX Florence for a decade or so while the gov't wastes taxpayer money on an appeals process, and then finally give him a painful end, or we could just lock him up in ADX Florence for the rest of his life and at least make him work for us while he slowly dies of natural causes.

Which option seems like the best use of his life?

You know you people talk about cost but punishment shouldn't be based on cost.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AM

I agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does."

You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AM

I agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does."

You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AM

I agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does."

You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.

I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict.

I know you do, and it shows your character.

That's an odd way to judge someone's character.

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 05:11:15 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 05:07:59 PM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AM

I agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does."

You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.

I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict.

I know you do, and it shows your character.

That's an odd way to judge someone's character.

I'd say a willingness to take someone's life shows a lot about a given person's character

Then I'd say your criteria are lacking. Evolution has built a capacity for killing into the human race, and there are numerous scenarios where taking a life is justified, such as self defense and war. There's a lot of hypocrisy in saying a painless lethal injection is less humane than spending  remainder of one's life in solitary confinement. I would love to see an end to the death penalty, but out of lack need, not out of unwillingness to respond in proportion to the crime; that ideal is  predicated on a society where someone would never think to maim hundreds of innocent people because he thinks god wants it.