Quote from: Azumarill on May 15, 2015, 09:58:31 PMQuote from: AstroNaru on May 15, 2015, 09:38:42 PMAnd really, why can't we fucking murder his family for thinking their failure of a son is innocent?Because that isn't justice.Yes it is. More intelligence in the gene pool.
Quote from: AstroNaru on May 15, 2015, 09:38:42 PMAnd really, why can't we fucking murder his family for thinking their failure of a son is innocent?Because that isn't justice.
And really, why can't we fucking murder his family for thinking their failure of a son is innocent?
Quote from: AstroNaru on May 15, 2015, 10:00:29 PMQuote from: Azumarill on May 15, 2015, 09:58:31 PMQuote from: AstroNaru on May 15, 2015, 09:38:42 PMAnd really, why can't we fucking murder his family for thinking their failure of a son is innocent?Because that isn't justice.Yes it is. More intelligence in the gene pool.*tips fedora*
The death penalty is never the answer.
The death penalty is never the answer. Also, don't expect this to be quick. There are so many appeals and delays possible that this will still take years before the judgment is final. And then, the average time a US convict spends on death row is over 15 years, with more and more people dying while awaiting their execution than by the actual hands of their executioner, and cases of people spending up to 40 years on death row are not unheard of. So for those hoping to see blood, I hope you are prepared to wait another decade or two.
>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier executionqeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.Not to mention how much of your taxes he'll likely be draining what with all the extra paperwork required for death row inmates.
>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier executionqeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 16, 2015, 07:29:25 AM>there are people in this thread right now who think he's going to get a Green Mile tier executionqeq, enjoy waiting 10-12 years for the bureaucratic process to fall through only for him to be euthanised with chemicals behind closed doors.>caring how he dies>caring if we get to see him die>caring how long it takes>madman mordo>never said anything insightful in his life
That decade long appeals process is a fucking colossal waste of taxpayer money. It's cheaper and better to just let him rot in ISO in ADX Florence.
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 11:19:15 AMThat decade long appeals process is a fucking colossal waste of taxpayer money. It's cheaper and better to just let him rot in ISO in ADX Florence.for DECADES?seems like that would cost more, actually
Criminal defense dttorney Peter Elikann said one reason death row costs more is "because today there are many more constitutional safeguards built into the appeals process."And, he said, that can go on for decades."There's a variety of expenses. It's not just the housing which is more expensive on death row. The trials themselves, every step of the way you have a right to numerous lawyers," he said.And Criminal defense attorney J.W. Carney agrees. He defended Whitey Bulger and told FOX25 that it cost the federal government several millions to carry out that trial, which was not a capital punishment case."In federal court, a lawyer who is handling a death penalty appeal gets paid 50 percent more than someone who is pursuing an appeal in a life without parole type of case," Carney said. He went on to say, "Lawyers understand if they lose an appeal where life imprisonment is the end the client will still be living, but if you lose a death penalty case, your client is killed."Carney also says incarceration is much more expensive for someone who is awaiting the death penalty, than someone serving a life sentence. He pointed to research that found it's as much as $100,000 more per year.In Supermax, where Tsarnaev might wind up, he'll be in isolation 23 hours a day, and will require less supervision because he won't be able to mingle with other inmates.However, on death row, prisoners are afforded more rights and have more freedoms and that costs more money.
What is considered a worse punishment is a matter of the sentenced's opinion, I don't know why people try to act otherwise.
Quote from: eggsalad on May 16, 2015, 03:29:02 PMWhat is considered a worse punishment is a matter of the sentenced's opinion, I don't know why people try to act otherwise.In this case, what we should be considering is how prudent our decisions are. We could sentence him to death, keep him in ADX Florence for a decade or so while the gov't wastes taxpayer money on an appeals process, and then finally give him a painful end, or we could just lock him up in ADX Florence for the rest of his life and at least make him work for us while he slowly dies of natural causes.Which option seems like the best use of his life?
You know you people talk about cost but punishment shouldn't be based on cost.
I agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does."
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict. I know you do, and it shows your character.
Quote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:58:37 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict. I know you do, and it shows your character.That's an odd way to judge someone's character.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 05:07:59 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:58:37 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict. I know you do, and it shows your character.That's an odd way to judge someone's character.I'd say a willingness to take someone's life shows a lot about a given person's character
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 05:11:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 05:07:59 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:58:37 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 04:38:42 PMQuote from: Magos Domina on May 16, 2015, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on May 16, 2015, 07:28:45 AMI agree with an NPR commentator that said, "if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, then no-one does." You're right, no one deserves the death penalty. Not even if they're the next Stalin.I'm not sure if you're purposefully misrepresenting my position, but I support the verdict. I know you do, and it shows your character.That's an odd way to judge someone's character.I'd say a willingness to take someone's life shows a lot about a given person's characterThen I'd say your criteria are lacking. Evolution has built a capacity for killing into the human race, and there are numerous scenarios where taking a life is justified, such as self defense and war. There's a lot of hypocrisy in saying a painless lethal injection is less humane than spending remainder of one's life in solitary confinement. I would love to see an end to the death penalty, but out of lack need, not out of unwillingness to respond in proportion to the crime; that ideal is predicated on a society where someone would never think to maim hundreds of innocent people because he thinks god wants it.
I don't necessarily think that a slow natural death in supermax ISO is more humane. I don't think humanity has anything to do with it really. If we throw away his life needlessly, we're not any better than him.
We can make use of him as a warden of the state if we keep him alive. We can literally hijack his entire existence and make him work for the very thing he sought to destroy. Why should we wait 10 years and waste millions of dollars on appeals just to stick a needle in him and watch the life drain out of his eyes? That's pointless. It accomplishes nothing. You have to see that.