Drinking while pregnant and abortion

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So I was having a long, existential meditation on life and all that's right and wrong in the world... And then a profound question occurred to me.

Why can't one have autonomy to drink while pregnant, but have an abortion? If you connect the two lines of thought and the contradictory arguments behind both, it makes no sense.


 
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Abortion is heroism, fetal alcohol syndrome is torture.


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an abortion ends the baby's life before it even begins, and it's mostly for reasons like rape or the baby will be born all fucked up or whatever

drinking while pregnant has no valid reasoning and dooms the child to a life wrought with severe physical and mental hindrances


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Abortion is heroism, fetal alcohol syndrome is torture.

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an abortion ends the baby's life before it even begins, and it's mostly for reasons like rape or the baby will be born all fucked up or whatever

drinking while pregnant has no valid reasoning and dooms the child to a life wrought with severe physical and mental hindrances

The fact is that fetuses are a genetically unique human being, totally separate from the mother in that sense. I think it's awfully arrogant of humanity to put boundaries on which humans are people, as if those are no longer synonymous. It seems horribly barbaric, like societies that still use slavery or consider women to be sub-human. The disturbing thing about that is, what if those people that don't consider humans to be "people" until birth or viability are wrong? Well, then we'd have to face that fact that as a planet of a conglomeration of "civilized" nations, we've committed a mass genocide that succeeds the works of the most reviled figures of the 1900's.


 
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The fact is that fetuses are a genetically unique human being, totally separate from the mother in that sense. I think it's awfully arrogant of humanity to put boundaries on which humans are people, as if those are no longer synonymous. It seems horribly barbaric, like societies that still use slavery or consider women to be sub-human. The disturbing thing about that is, what if those people that don't consider humans to be "people" until birth or viability are wrong? Well, then we'd have to face that fact that as a planet of a conglomeration of "civilized" nations, we've committed a mass genocide that succeeds the works of the most reviled figures of the 1900's.
This would only prove that not all genocide is bad.


 
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Well mainly as said here. The abortion will end the fetus's life and it won't go through suffering any longer. If you drink, and your child comes out all sorts of messed up, you're making his life even more painful and agonizing than what it would have been growing up normally. I find it a hell of a lot more messed up than abortion simply because you're letting him develop consciousness and know what pain and suffering feel like as he/she continues to get older in life.


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Playing Devil's Advocate here; So if someone is planning to have an abortion and is guaranteed to have one, it's perfectly fine to smoke, drink, do drugs, etc, before the appointment because that potential for life will never be, right?

Because somehow even with those assumptions, that irks me a little.
Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 09:50:06 PM by Môr-ladron


 
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Playing Devil's Advocate here; So if someone is planning to have an abortion and is guaranteed to have one, it's perfectly fine to smoke, drink, do drugs, etc, before the appointment because that potential for life will never be, right?

Because somehow even with those assumptions, that irks me a little.
i mean, no, because smoking, drinking, and doing drugs is retarded enough on its own


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an abortion ends the baby's life before it even begins, and it's mostly for reasons like rape or the baby will be born all fucked up or whatever

drinking while pregnant has no valid reasoning and dooms the child to a life wrought with severe physical and mental hindrances

The fact is that fetuses are a genetically unique human being, totally separate from the mother in that sense. I think it's awfully arrogant of humanity to put boundaries on which humans are people, as if those are no longer synonymous. It seems horribly barbaric, like societies that still use slavery or consider women to be sub-human. The disturbing thing about that is, what if those people that don't consider humans to be "people" until birth or viability are wrong? Well, then we'd have to face that fact that as a planet of a conglomeration of "civilized" nations, we've committed a mass genocide that succeeds the works of the most reviled figures of the 1900's.

Copypasta from 5 years ago? Do you have the old thread bookmarked or something?


 
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Copypasta from 5 years ago? Do you have the old thread bookmarked or something?
good call

https://halo.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76294345&postRepeater1-p=1


 
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Copypasta from 5 years ago? Do you have the old thread bookmarked or something?
Wait, YOU said that

AHAHAHA


 
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Of course nobody wants to be born into a poor or broken family. That doesn't mean they don't want to be born. And why the hell should the mother get to decide whether the child should have that opportunity to define his/her own life?
Holy fuck Turkey

i don't even think i was AN at the time but i would've had a field day

that was the last post in the thread too, goddamn
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Of course nobody wants to be born into a poor or broken family. That doesn't mean they don't want to be born. And why the hell should the mother get to decide whether the child should have that opportunity to define his/her own life?
Holy fuck Turkey

i don't even think i was AN at the time but i would've had a field day

that was the last post in the thread too, goddamn

That's not wrong, though. And idk what he's talking about