do you think the senate will convict this time?

This is just ridiculous political theater, he's not getting convicted when he has literally only a week left.

Consider me uneducated, but I've got a theory. If he gets impeached, does that not open the door for legal alteractions later on down the road after his term is up?

Trump would be much more vulnerable to legal action after his term was up. But it seems like there's not ever much for legal action taken against ex presidents(maybe due to some constitutional protection writings?)

i don't really know what to expect from this, but my gut's telling me that we might actually be able to defenestrate the cunt this time

probably wishful thinking though

Quote from: Ian on January 13, 2021, 09:23:49 PM

This is just ridiculous political theater, he's not getting convicted when he has literally only a week left.

the goal, of course, is to ensure he'll never able to run again, so the number of days he has left doesn't really matter—it's about destroying his future in politics

it also piles on yet another well-deserved mark of disgrace to the worst president in history, which is also good

You don't think it's a bit of an overstatement on Trump being the worst? Andrew Jackson set a pretty high bar with what he did to the natives and advocated for. Trump advocates a lot of stupid shit but he didn't go for ethnic cleaning(yet or that I know of).

Precedent is super important in our legal system. An event like this definitely needs to set one for future reference should American politics continue to become more unhinged in the future.

What do you think about the argument against impeaching before an investigation?

You don't think it's a bit of an overstatement on Trump being the worst?

Not even slightly.

While you're certainly not going to catch me defending Andrew Jackson, it's important to acknowledge that we're talking about two completely different eras here. If you're comfortable with giving Trump extra credit just for being born in the 21st century, where you can't really get away with overtly committing genocide anymore, then you can be my guest, but I'm not so charitable. The fact that we've reached a point in modern civilization where we'll probably never allow another Trail of Tears to happen again is a feather in the cap of society, not Trump.

That said, frankly, I'm perfectly comfortable with pinning 400K+ ongoing COVID deaths on the man who refused to do anything about the issue, and has even contributed to the ongoing culture of complacency that we're continuing to see in this country. Whether you agree or disagree, I think that's a perfectly reasonable and uncontroversial take on the matter.

So yeah. Worst president ever (relative to how good a president ought to be in the current year). I wouldn't call it an overstatement at all, but I'll concede that it's a statement that requires a bit of framing.

Definitely worst president of modern times for sure.

Worst of America, probably. Not worst out of all in modern times though

Quote from: E on January 14, 2021, 01:35:05 PM

You don't think it's a bit of an overstatement on Trump being the worst?

Not even slightly.

While you're certainly not going to catch me defending Andrew Jackson, it's important to acknowledge that we're talking about two completely different eras here. If you're comfortable with giving Trump extra credit just for being born in the 21st century, where you can't really get away with overtly committing genocide anymore, then you can be my guest, but I'm not so charitable. The fact that we've reached a point in modern civilization where we'll probably never allow another Trail of Tears to happen again is a feather in the cap of society, not Trump.

That said, frankly, I'm perfectly comfortable with pinning 400K+ ongoing COVID deaths on the man who refused to do anything about the issue, and has even contributed to the ongoing culture of complacency that we're continuing to see in this country. Whether you agree or disagree, I think that's a perfectly reasonable and uncontroversial take on the matter.

So yeah. Worst president ever (relative to how good a president ought to be in the current year). I wouldn't call it an overstatement at all, but I'll concede that it's a statement that requires a bit of framing.

Framing indeed. That goes into tricky territory though. If you're K with pinning collateral deaths on the president then you've got to hold all the others accountable as well for their respective decision making. If that's the case, every president has a high body count if we count military activity deaths, homeless deaths, and all the other crap that's systemic in society, or respective crisis's.

Trump's an idiot to be certain, and the worst kind to boot, an economically minded one. But he's also a symptom of a greater issue at hand. I'm relatively impartial to Trump because he could be replaced by other people as a result of the same symptoms. Not exact likenesses, but they'd do their own special lasting damage I'm sure. Silly to hate the man when he's interchangable with all the other idiots. Idiots voted in by the country, idiots propped up by the corrupt government parties and their backers.

Jackson would've been the same. Not the cause of the disease, but the result of the disease. Same as Trump is. I gotta laugh at that Verb.

(relative to how good a president ought to be in the current year)

As if any of them were ever capable of being good by today's standards. They're all reflections of society. And I don't have to say the punchline about what kinda state society is in.

The algorithm keeps filling my feed up with cancer, so here's some oddly relevant shit that appears to have aged well.