Don't nobody give speeches like Obama.

challengerX · March 10, 2015, 09:05:24 AM

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Nick McIntyre · March 10, 2015, 09:07:32 AM

But but but muh "votes don't matter" argument...

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · March 10, 2015, 09:11:02 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · March 10, 2015, 09:15:10 AM

But PA had no senate seats up for grabs in the midterm.
I'm innocent.

Doctor Doom · March 10, 2015, 12:11:32 PM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 10, 2015, 09:07:32 AM

But but but muh "votes don't matter" argument...

Mine don't.

More Than Mortal · March 10, 2015, 12:17:36 PM

Voting isn't just a right, it's a duty.

I knew my mother wouldn't vote in the election for the European Parliament, so I asked for her ballot and cast my vote for UKIP.

CK97 · March 10, 2015, 12:21:56 PM

What if you don't like any of the candidates?

Mad Max · March 10, 2015, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:17:36 PM

Voting isn't just a right, it's a duty.

I knew my mother wouldn't vote in the election for the European Parliament, so I asked for her ballot and cast my vote for UKIP.

So you're admitting to voter fraud?

challengerX · March 10, 2015, 12:26:26 PM

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More Than Mortal · March 10, 2015, 12:34:55 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
Voting isn't just a right, it's a duty.

I knew my mother wouldn't vote in the election for the European Parliament, so I asked for her ballot and cast my vote for UKIP.
So you're admitting to voter fraud?

Since I didn't do anything to artificially increase the votes for my favoured candidate, or decrease the votes of the opposition, no.

Mordo · March 10, 2015, 12:42:41 PM

DE EBIL REPUBLIBANS R GOMIN 2 GED U

Yeah no, spare me the propaganda. Sure, he's absolutely right when he says it's a disservice to the country and the democratic process by not voting, but it's also a disservice to yourself to be swept up in blatant appeal to emotion speeches. Vote for who you believe can change the country for the better, not who can speak the most eloquently.

Mad Max · March 10, 2015, 12:43:35 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:34:55 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
Voting isn't just a right, it's a duty.

I knew my mother wouldn't vote in the election for the European Parliament, so I asked for her ballot and cast my vote for UKIP.
So you're admitting to voter fraud?
Since I didn't do anything to artificially increase the votes for my favoured candidate, or decrease the votes of the opposition, no.

Does your mother not need to sign the ballot saying that this is, indeed, her vote? We do that in the US on mail-in ballots.

Doctor Doom · March 10, 2015, 12:46:30 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 10, 2015, 12:42:41 PM

DE EBIL REPUBLIBANS R GOMIN 2 GED U

Yeah no, spare me the propaganda. Sure, he's absolutely right when he says it's a disservice to the country and the democratic process by not voting, but it's also a disservice to yourself to be swept up in blatant appeal to emotion speeches. Vote for who you believe can change the country for the better, not who can speak the most eloquently.

And then Mordo came in like a wrecking ball.

More Than Mortal · March 10, 2015, 12:46:33 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:43:35 PM

Does your mother not need to sign the ballot saying that this is, indeed, her vote? We do that in the US on mail-in ballots.

I don't believe so, but I don't see why it'd matter anyway.

I didn't coerce her; me voting by proxy doesn't make it any less her vote too. It's just a shortened version of an alternate timeline where I convinced her to vote UKIP via persuasion.

big sponge · March 10, 2015, 12:48:20 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:46:33 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Does your mother not need to sign the ballot saying that this is, indeed, her vote? We do that in the US on mail-in ballots.
I don't believe so, but I don't see why it'd matter anyway.

I didn't coerce her; me voting by proxy doesn't make it any less her vote too. It's just a shortened version of an alternate timeline where I convinced her to vote UKIP via persuasion.

That's voter fraud m8.

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it.

Mad Max · March 10, 2015, 12:48:39 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:46:33 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Does your mother not need to sign the ballot saying that this is, indeed, her vote? We do that in the US on mail-in ballots.
I don't believe so, but I don't see why it'd matter anyway.

I didn't coerce her; me voting by proxy doesn't make it any less her vote too. It's just a shortened version of an alternate timeline where I convinced her to vote UKIP via persuasion.

It's not about the net number of votes being the same, it's about casting a ballot in her name that she didn't fill out.

More Than Mortal · March 10, 2015, 12:52:32 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:48:39 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on March 10, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Does your mother not need to sign the ballot saying that this is, indeed, her vote? We do that in the US on mail-in ballots.
I don't believe so, but I don't see why it'd matter anyway.

I didn't coerce her; me voting by proxy doesn't make it any less her vote too. It's just a shortened version of an alternate timeline where I convinced her to vote UKIP via persuasion.
It's not about the net number of votes being the same, it's about casting a ballot in her name that she didn't fill out.

If you're worried about who marked the ballot with the pen, I made it clear to her that while she was essentially voting on my behalf she must be the one to actually mark it.

Verbatim · March 10, 2015, 12:53:08 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 09:05:24 AM

You're like the guy not helping to put out the fire.

i'm actually the guy saying that we shouldn't set fires in the first place

PSU · March 10, 2015, 01:03:16 PM

Agreed. Obama is the man.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9074010

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · March 10, 2015, 02:21:48 PM

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gats · March 10, 2015, 02:52:56 PM

what if all the parties suck?

Hmm I guess you could essentially just vote for the one that sucks a little less

CK97 · March 10, 2015, 03:02:30 PM

I'd love to vote, but it doesn't mean anything since there's an electoral college and delegates that can ignore the public's vote (assuming you're in a state where that's legal).

So, does your vote really mean something?

challengerX · March 10, 2015, 03:14:53 PM

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More Than Mortal · March 10, 2015, 03:18:20 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 03:14:53 PM

The Tea Party controls the Republican Party

The Tea Party caucus has been dead for years.

People like Reince Priebus, Scott Walker and Jeb Bush will be drifting to the front of the party. For better or worse.

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DAS B00T x2 · March 10, 2015, 03:24:42 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 10, 2015, 03:02:30 PM

I'd love to vote, but it doesn't mean anything since there's an electoral college and delegates that can ignore the public's vote (assuming you're in a state where that's legal).

So, does your vote really mean something?

There's really only been four major snafus with the electoral college in a matter like that.

gats · March 10, 2015, 03:24:43 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 03:14:53 PM

you guys live in a world separated from reality, and that isn't something you want to hear.

Who? Those of us in the UK?