You know what irks me? The US's anti-communist strategy in the Middle East, it worked wonders. They got rid of poets and replaced them with jihadis.

Utopias are utopias for a reason.
We don't have anywhere near the resources necessary to make a fully socialistic society happen right now.

How come people like Hitler and Churchill haven't ruined Capitalism

Probably because Hitler wasn't a capitalist. Though he did use several capitalist policies to invigorate Germany; namely, the effect of reprivatization of firms had an immediate positive effect that quickly aided in recovery from a depression.

Quote from: Ajax on September 30, 2015, 07:21:50 PM

How come people like Hitler and Churchill haven't ruined Capitalism

Probably because Hitler wasn't a capitalist. Though he did use several capitalist policies to invigorate Germany; namely, the effect of reprivatization of firms had an immediate positive effect that quickly aided in recovery from a depression.

He nationalized firms and implemented autarkic policies and tariffs that I would argue is the complete antithesis of capitalism.

The outbreak of war emancipated the German population from the depression, not his policies.

National Socialist German Workers' Party does not scream capitalism to me.

Some, like steel and iron. Early on he privatized quite a bit.

Such as? Enclosed nationalization of the economy was a priority for Hitler because it aligned with the National Socialist beliefs of a strong pure bred nation. Whether it was effective or not was pretty much irrelevant to him.

If that's what you're referring to as 'privatization' then absolutely. But it's not, by any means, capitalistic.

Well that's just patently untrue. Germany was beginning to thrive long before the war began.

Employment rose, but not much else. The average German was working over 50 hours a week to compensate for the turbulent increases in the standard of living.

https://coreyrobin.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bel-2010-nazi-privatizations1.pdf
It is a fact that the Nazi government sold off public ownership in several
state-owned firms in the mid-1930s. These firms belonged to a wide range of
sectors; for example, steel, mining, banking, shipyard, ship-lines, and railways. It
must be pointed out that, whereas modern privatization has run parallel to liberalization
policies, in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework
of increasing state control of the whole economy through regulation and political
interference.

They were far and few between though. Hitler only used it as a political tool for rearmament because he realised initially how effective it was. He strongly supported nationalization during the run up to the elections.

It was literally pocket change for fiscal revenue.

Literally proves my point. Within months of Hitler's election the stock market was rising rapidly.

Check my edit.

Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on October 01, 2015, 10:54:03 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 01, 2015, 10:46:47 AM

https://coreyrobin.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bel-2010-nazi-privatizations1.pdf
It is a fact that the Nazi government sold off public ownership in several
state-owned firms in the mid-1930s. These firms belonged to a wide range of
sectors; for example, steel, mining, banking, shipyard, ship-lines, and railways. It
must be pointed out that, whereas modern privatization has run parallel to liberalization
policies, in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework
of increasing state control of the whole economy through regulation and political
interference.

They were far and few between though. Hitler only used it as a political tool for rearmament because he realised initially how effective it was. He strongly supported nationalization during the run up to the elections.

You literally just linked me the same article I showed you, which goes into great detail about Hitler's use of privatization to invigorate the economy. Later on he nationalized a few of those industries again, but I never said otherwise. I said he used certain capitalist policies to stock up for the impending war, at which point he shifted to a more nationalized, fascist system.

Ah sorry, misunderstanding. Just came back from an operation. Not at 100% right now.

I'm still hesitant to call it 'invigorated' though. High standard of living and in an increase in public expenditure isn't something I would call invigorated.