It's not really a huge thing over in britbongistan <.<Waiting staff get paid minimum wage plus tips. So the tips have to be earned over here <.<It's not like they have to jump through hoops for our amusement though, just being polite and attentive is all that's needed to get a tip >.>It's certainly one of the reasons why I'm cautious about ever going to Amurika; apart from being groped by the TSA, shot in the street by the police or being suffocated by a bloater on a bus ._.From the way I hear it, if you don't tip in the USA that's the social equivalent of taking a piss on the table in the restaurant .-.
From the way I hear it, if you don't tip in the USA that's the social equivalent of taking a piss on the table in the restaurant .-.
Tipping really isn't an issue you can look at financially/economically. It's a social/moral convention. It's not immoral, per se, for you to not tip, but it annoys the rest of the tribe when you violate a social convention - especially if it indirectly harms another member of the tribe.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 06, 2014, 05:41:05 AMTipping really isn't an issue you can look at financially/economically. It's a social/moral convention. It's not immoral, per se, for you to not tip, but it annoys the rest of the tribe when you violate a social convention - especially if it indirectly harms another member of the tribe.You didn't really answer the question though.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:59:09 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 06, 2014, 05:41:05 AMTipping really isn't an issue you can look at financially/economically. It's a social/moral convention. It's not immoral, per se, for you to not tip, but it annoys the rest of the tribe when you violate a social convention - especially if it indirectly harms another member of the tribe.You didn't really answer the question though.No, I don't tip.
That doesn't surprise me.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 11:23:57 AMThat doesn't surprise me.I haven't really had the opportunity to be honest. I don't carry any change with me.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 11:38:35 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 11:23:57 AMThat doesn't surprise me.I haven't really had the opportunity to be honest. I don't carry any change with me.Well for one, leaving nothing but spare change is cheap.2) you pay with cash you can say "keep the change" or get change and leave a tip.3) use a card, you can write how much you want to tip.There are too many ways to tip, to have a good reason to not.
Also, write down on what? What backwards-ass method do you guys use to pay by card? They tell you the charge, you put your card in and enter your PIN. No writing necessary.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 12:25:25 PMAlso, write down on what? What backwards-ass method do you guys use to pay by card? They tell you the charge, you put your card in and enter your PIN. No writing necessary. >get bill>give card>they swipe>hand two receipts, one yours and one merchant copy>sign merchant copy>write in tip on merchant copy if you wish>they add it to charge
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 11:57:08 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 11:38:35 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 11:23:57 AMThat doesn't surprise me.I haven't really had the opportunity to be honest. I don't carry any change with me.Well for one, leaving nothing but spare change is cheap.2) you pay with cash you can say "keep the change" or get change and leave a tip.3) use a card, you can write how much you want to tip.There are too many ways to tip, to have a good reason to not.Except I've never been to a place where you leave the bill on the table or pay the person who served you. I go to places where there is a counter at which you pay - like a bar. Also, write down on what? What backwards-ass method do you guys use to pay by card? They tell you the charge, you put your card in and enter your PIN. No writing necessary. Also, I'm not going to leave anything but change. They can go fuck themselves if they think I'm leaving a banknote.
In America, you pay with a care they run it as "credit". You don't give out your pin or anything.Credit requires you to sign saying you approve of the charge. Then they have a tip line, then a total line. Welcome to America.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:47:03 PMIn America, you pay with a care they run it as "credit". You don't give out your pin or anything.Credit requires you to sign saying you approve of the charge. Then they have a tip line, then a total line. Welcome to America.There we go then. I don't tip because I don't carry change, and because we have a more streamlined way of paying for shit over here.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 12:48:52 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:47:03 PMIn America, you pay with a care they run it as "credit". You don't give out your pin or anything.Credit requires you to sign saying you approve of the charge. Then they have a tip line, then a total line. Welcome to America.There we go then. I don't tip because I don't carry change, and because we have a more streamlined way of paying for shit over here.Opinion
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:49:42 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 12:48:52 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:47:03 PMIn America, you pay with a care they run it as "credit". You don't give out your pin or anything.Credit requires you to sign saying you approve of the charge. Then they have a tip line, then a total line. Welcome to America.There we go then. I don't tip because I don't carry change, and because we have a more streamlined way of paying for shit over here.OpinionNo, not really. Putting your card into a machine and just punching in a number is by definition more streamlined than your method.
No, we have a similar method. Pay "debit", then the cashier hands you a keypad and you enter your pin. I worked at McDonalds' drive thru, and one time I hit the wrong button, so I had to pull this keypad out the window. That wasn't very efficient.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 12:57:13 PMNo, we have a similar method. Pay "debit", then the cashier hands you a keypad and you enter your pin. I worked at McDonalds' drive thru, and one time I hit the wrong button, so I had to pull this keypad out the window. That wasn't very efficient.LOL because that one time at McDonald's defines the entire debit card system, right? And yeah, I only use my debit card. Fuck credit cards.
1) there are times when a keypad is simply an inconvenience
2) Debit Cards are also the same, you sign and all that
3) Either way you look at it, your paying for something. One is where you stick a card in a machine. Another is where you hand a card to someone who sticks it in a machine.
How do people pay with cards at nice restaurants then? Y'know, not places where you swipe your own card like a neanderthal?
Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 02:16:29 PMHow do people pay with cards at nice restaurants then? Y'know, not places where you swipe your own card like a neanderthal?You go up, order your food, put your card into the reader, key in your PIN number, remove your card, go sit down and wait for your meal.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 02:40:18 PMQuote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 02:16:29 PMHow do people pay with cards at nice restaurants then? Y'know, not places where you swipe your own card like a neanderthal?You go up, order your food, put your card into the reader, key in your PIN number, remove your card, go sit down and wait for your meal.No, I'm talking about places where you don't run your own card. Where a server gives you your bill and you place your payment in it. I'm not talking about McDonalds. Places without an ordering counter and shit. Surely those exist outside of America...
Do you tip servers?
