Quote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.That's what civil engineers exist for. Also, Trump, not enough money. For real?
Quote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.
Quote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.
I'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.
Quote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I've yet to hear any fair critiques of him as they tend to be the typical smear "he's a racist bigot that wants to throw all Mexican babies over the border to get eaten by dingoes" kind of thing. From what I recall reading of his policies nothing sounds terrible.
Quote from: Essessen on December 13, 2015, 10:14:35 PMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.That's what civil engineers exist for. Also, Trump, not enough money. For real?No I meant his business partners pulling out of his company and all that. Ending advertisement deals and other various things. I heard that that happened across numerous places in the Middle East or something after he said the Muslim thing.
Quote from: Essessen on December 13, 2015, 10:12:17 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I've yet to hear any fair critiques of him as they tend to be the typical smear "he's a racist bigot that wants to throw all Mexican babies over the border to get eaten by dingoes" kind of thing. From what I recall reading of his policies nothing sounds terrible.ButHe is coming off as a racist bigot and literally said he wants to deport millions and allow no Muslims in. It doesn't get any more clear than that. It's like defending Ford's policies when he wouldn't shut the hell up about the Jews (I learned a lot about him lately. What an asshole).The only policy I've really heard from Trump so far is the tax plan and people had a field day tearing that apart. Though he's probably the only Republican there who actually has a plan. The rest just say "Repeal Obamacare" and "Aggressive new plan".
Quote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:34:31 PMQuote from: Essessen on December 13, 2015, 10:14:35 PMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.That's what civil engineers exist for. Also, Trump, not enough money. For real?No I meant his business partners pulling out of his company and all that. Ending advertisement deals and other various things. I heard that that happened across numerous places in the Middle East or something after he said the Muslim thing.I have doubts that the amount of support those partners would be cutting from Trump would be enough to seriously hinder him.
And what is exactly wrong with saying they should be deported when they cannot be supported yet by the state?
Having certain unfavorable views on groups doesn't mean one cannot do a certain job well, assuming Trump is indeed racist. Ford was a bigot, but he still created one of the biggest auto companies and did a lot of good.
People tear every little detail of everything apart when you run for public office. Compared to the Democrats, there's no way his plan could be any worse or incomplete.
Not allowing Muslims in would, in effect, likely chalk up to not letting refugees/migrants in.
Quote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.
Quote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.
Quote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.
Dude I've known this for like a year now
Quote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 04:28:23 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.There's a difference in scale from building a concrete fence around the Gaza Strip to seperating the southern US from Mexico....about 1,917 miles difference.(Not mentioning maintenance here either)
Quote from: Brian Butterfield on December 14, 2015, 07:49:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 04:28:23 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.There's a difference in scale from building a concrete fence around the Gaza Strip to seperating the southern US from Mexico....about 1,917 miles difference.(Not mentioning maintenance here either)That's less than half the length of China's wall. I don't see how this wall is impossible compared to any other wall, or compared to any other American building project - You've already built and maintained Hoover dam so the engineering capabilities exist in America.
Quote from: Dan on December 14, 2015, 07:38:21 PMHe strongly supported McCain and Romney, so I doubt it.He also strongly supported Hillary and other Democrats
He strongly supported McCain and Romney, so I doubt it.
Quote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 08:13:20 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 14, 2015, 07:49:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 04:28:23 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.There's a difference in scale from building a concrete fence around the Gaza Strip to seperating the southern US from Mexico....about 1,917 miles difference.(Not mentioning maintenance here either)That's less than half the length of China's wall. I don't see how this wall is impossible compared to any other wall, or compared to any other American building project - You've already built and maintained Hoover dam so the engineering capabilities exist in America.Hoover Dam is tiny compared to the wall being proposed, and the Great Wall of China is falling apart, trying to maintain what remains would be a massive challenge, only parts that are huge tourist attractions are even taken care of. I think only a third of the wall is even left.It's possible to build a wall across the US/Mexican border, but I couldn't imagine the cost. To use the Great Wall of China as an example, the current Great Wall was built over a period of nearly 300 years, cost a ton of lives and is now in disuse and falling apart. What would be the point?
Quote from: Fruitcake on December 14, 2015, 10:03:09 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 08:13:20 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 14, 2015, 07:49:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 04:28:23 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.There's a difference in scale from building a concrete fence around the Gaza Strip to seperating the southern US from Mexico....about 1,917 miles difference.(Not mentioning maintenance here either)That's less than half the length of China's wall. I don't see how this wall is impossible compared to any other wall, or compared to any other American building project - You've already built and maintained Hoover dam so the engineering capabilities exist in America.Hoover Dam is tiny compared to the wall being proposed, and the Great Wall of China is falling apart, trying to maintain what remains would be a massive challenge, only parts that are huge tourist attractions are even taken care of. I think only a third of the wall is even left.It's possible to build a wall across the US/Mexican border, but I couldn't imagine the cost. To use the Great Wall of China as an example, the current Great Wall was built over a period of nearly 300 years, cost a ton of lives and is now in disuse and falling apart. What would be the point?Just looked it up. Took over a thousand years. The one we know is from the 1300's - 1600's by the Ming Dynasty.Mongols still took over anyway.
Quote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 10:35:56 PMQuote from: Fruitcake on December 14, 2015, 10:03:09 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 08:13:20 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 14, 2015, 07:49:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 04:28:23 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 14, 2015, 03:43:59 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 14, 2015, 03:21:35 AMQuote from: Luciana on December 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PMQuote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 09:16:43 PMQuote from: Brian Butterfield on December 13, 2015, 08:43:29 PMI'm almost expecting him to just "break character" once he gets elected to show that the majority of the voting base are retarded.Not that I've read up on his actual policies at all, but if it's along the lines of the ones I hear often ("Fuck muslims, build walls"), I can hardly believe he's serious about it, nor that that many people could support it.I really don't see how building a wall is something you couldn't be serious about.It's geographically impossible to do what Trump wants to do, given how the land is around the border in a lot of places. And the money it would take to build and maintain this 21st century Great Wall.Do you have any details on which places would make the wall impossible to build? Wouldn't difficult terrain act as a natural barrier reducing the amount of wall that needs to be built?.Also beyond construction I'm not seeing what would make it so expensive.The terrain is different all across the border with elevation, cliffs, etc taken into account.And if it's going to be a wall like Constantinople's golden gates, which is what Trump is saying, then the cost to build that across 1,954 miles, and maintain it, is nothing shy of fantasy and a massive waste of money that could be going someplace else.But wouldn't cliffs make the wall more defensible? And even then I don't see why the wall would have to be more elaborate than anything Israel has, essentially a concrete fence.There's a difference in scale from building a concrete fence around the Gaza Strip to seperating the southern US from Mexico....about 1,917 miles difference.(Not mentioning maintenance here either)That's less than half the length of China's wall. I don't see how this wall is impossible compared to any other wall, or compared to any other American building project - You've already built and maintained Hoover dam so the engineering capabilities exist in America.Hoover Dam is tiny compared to the wall being proposed, and the Great Wall of China is falling apart, trying to maintain what remains would be a massive challenge, only parts that are huge tourist attractions are even taken care of. I think only a third of the wall is even left.It's possible to build a wall across the US/Mexican border, but I couldn't imagine the cost. To use the Great Wall of China as an example, the current Great Wall was built over a period of nearly 300 years, cost a ton of lives and is now in disuse and falling apart. What would be the point?Just looked it up. Took over a thousand years. The one we know is from the 1300's - 1600's by the Ming Dynasty.Mongols still took over anyway.I got the 300 years from how long it took to build the current wall as we know and think about today, even though the original wall is over 2000 years old
China's wall also took multiple dynasties to build and killed millions of people. It wasn't really worth it.Comparing something so ancient to modern times where there is not a force invading you, is rather silly.
Hoover Dam is tiny compared to the wall being proposed, and the Great Wall of China is falling apart, trying to maintain what remains would be a massive challenge, only parts that are huge tourist attractions are even taken care of. I think only a third of the wall is even left.It's possible to build a wall across the US/Mexican border, but I couldn't imagine the cost. To use the Great Wall of China as an example, the current Great Wall was built over a period of nearly 300 years, cost a ton of lives and is now in disuse and falling apart. What would be the point?
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