The first bomb was definitely justified. Japan had no intention of surrendering any time soon. It was necessary deterrent of future conflict.The second bomb is debatable. I've heard from some that Japan was planning to surrender after Hiroshima and didn't have time to do so before Nagasaki, but others insist they would have continued anyway.
Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 24, 2015, 09:19:42 PM The other problem about an invasion is Russia. The country would have been split into North and South Japan just like Korea, Vietnam and Berlin.Yup. Two nuked cities left japan in a much better state than a first world/second world south/north split would have.And there's no way a successful mainland invasion wouldn't have involved Russian aid after the way they devastated Japan's army groups in mainland Asia.
The other problem about an invasion is Russia. The country would have been split into North and South Japan just like Korea, Vietnam and Berlin.
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
At the very least drop a couple warning nukes of their coast.
Quote from: Naoto on April 25, 2015, 11:11:12 AMDifficult to say. Not being alive at the time. World war. Death toll being what it was. Targeting of civilians is rarely justified. If ever. It did ultimately end the war though. Not as if we weren't fire bombing cities, and running internment camps for American citizens at the time. So morals were a bit different back then.I don't think I'd have done it if it were me tbh. Feel like we probably had better options available. Japan is very dependent on imports hence the reason for their war in the first place. Sinking their navy and a blockade would have left them in a very tight spot. At the very least drop a couple warning nukes of their coast.I think we need to take into account just how tired of war everybody was. Continuing a "traditional" attack on Japan would've taken a while. And America had to show it was a force to be reckoned with in case Russia got any ideas. What happened was a tragedy. But I really don't think there would've been a better way with less casualties.
Difficult to say. Not being alive at the time. World war. Death toll being what it was. Targeting of civilians is rarely justified. If ever. It did ultimately end the war though. Not as if we weren't fire bombing cities, and running internment camps for American citizens at the time. So morals were a bit different back then.I don't think I'd have done it if it were me tbh. Feel like we probably had better options available. Japan is very dependent on imports hence the reason for their war in the first place. Sinking their navy and a blockade would have left them in a very tight spot. At the very least drop a couple warning nukes of their coast.
All signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.30+ million deaths in the Pacific?You smoking crack or something?
Quote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 03:32:23 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.30+ million deaths in the Pacific?You smoking crack or something?Nope.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives.This has nothing to do with the Japanese governement. I would've had no problem if we bombed two military bases instead of two urban centers. The civilians in Japan, while pretty brainwashed, sure, had nothing to do with the actual war.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.2/3rds of US forces in WWII were draftees.
Quote from: the boat ECKS two on April 26, 2015, 05:48:48 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.2/3rds of US forces in WWII were draftees.It's still comparing apples to oranges. Why didn't we drop the bombs on a Japanese military harbor? Why did it have to be a city?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:48:49 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.>he expresses a viewpoint I disagree with>must be a troll
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:48:49 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.>he expresses a viewpoint I disagree with>must be a troll Except no one is that stupid so you are an obvious troll.Stop trolling serious.
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:51:03 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:48:49 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.>he expresses a viewpoint I disagree with>must be a troll Except no one is that stupid so you are an obvious troll.Stop trolling serious.This is hilarious since it's all you do here.
Quote from: the boat ECKS two on April 26, 2015, 07:15:43 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:51:03 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:48:49 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.>he expresses a viewpoint I disagree with>must be a troll Except no one is that stupid so you are an obvious troll.Stop trolling serious.This is hilarious since it's all you do here. you're just assmad
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 07:18:18 PMQuote from: the boat ECKS two on April 26, 2015, 07:15:43 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:51:03 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 06:48:49 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 03:39:30 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 26, 2015, 03:24:46 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 24, 2015, 08:55:52 PMAll signs pointed to Japan continuing the Pacific War, costing more lives, resources and money than the bombs ever incurred. (The casualties of the Pacific War was already in the 30 million+ whereas the Atomic Bombs killed 200,000, just to add a little addendum). Call it consequentialism if you want, but it certainly was justified.Yeah, 30 million soldier deaths. People who knew what they were signing up for. You can't compare the deaths of military enlisted men to the deaths of civilians.Not really, considering a lot of men were conscripted to fight. The draft isn't exactly voluntary.If you want to point fingers here, point it at the Japanese government for their heavily imperialistic culture, reluctance to surrender, and the capacity to hone both civilians and soldiers into literal weapons of war to be expended if it meant taking out a few American lives. Bad troll is bad.>he expresses a viewpoint I disagree with>must be a troll Except no one is that stupid so you are an obvious troll.Stop trolling serious.This is hilarious since it's all you do here. you're just assmadNot at all. I'm just correct.
Do you think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified?
