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two rocks bumping into each other does not equal consciousness
Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 12:44:26 AMtwo rocks bumping into each other does not equal consciousnessfucking lol, this is exactly what you believe if you think that consciousness and perception and experience ALL derive from the brain, which is a completely physical construct. the brain is literally things bumping into each other, dude.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 12:47:55 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 12:44:26 AMtwo rocks bumping into each other does not equal consciousnessfucking lol, this is exactly what you believe if you think that consciousness and perception and experience ALL derive from the brain, which is a completely physical construct. the brain is literally things bumping into each other, dude. ...the difference is that one actually does produce consciousnessand the other does not.and cannot.you insane fuck.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 12:47:55 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 12:44:26 AMtwo rocks bumping into each other does not equal consciousnessfucking lol, this is exactly what you believe if you think that consciousness and perception and experience ALL derive from the brain, which is a completely physical construct. the brain is literally things bumping into each other, dude. ...the difference is that one produces consciousnessthe other does notand cannot.you insane fuck.
If you can't comprehend the difference between observable consciousness and the sensation of experience then you need to brush up on solipsism before even trying to think about this.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 13, 2015, 12:50:46 AMIf you can't comprehend the difference between observable consciousness and the sensation of experience then you need to brush up on solipsism before even trying to think about this.well, solipsism is retarded, soooi don't really see a point in that
Little bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.I actually dread when people bring this shit up.
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 13, 2015, 12:59:47 AMLittle bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.I actually dread when people bring this shit up.i recommend not coming into the threads then. i find it energizing, personally
If you get reincarnated but you don't have your memories or experiences then it's not really you, is it?If you replace the brush then the handle of a broom, it's not the same broom any more. If you replace the body and mind of someone, they're not that person anymore. My problem with the logic of reincarnation aside, no.
Quote from: BaconSheeeeeeelf👌👌 on October 13, 2015, 02:41:23 AMIf you get reincarnated but you don't have your memories or experiences then it's not really you, is it?If you replace the brush then the handle of a broom, it's not the same broom any more. If you replace the body and mind of someone, they're not that person anymore. My problem with the logic of reincarnation aside, no.The thing you're missing out on here, is that most definitions of reincarnation state the individual on this particular plane of existence if you want to call that, is just a fraction of who they really are. Like a shard out of something larger.So, when you die, you're reunited with your sum whole. Their particular reasoning for this, is because down here, things are simpler. Your sum whole exists on another, wider realm of existence. To look at it in full, would be almost impossible. So, when you choose to return here, you're but a shard of yourself.Which is why some beliefs pursue the path of enlightenment. Reuniting with your whole, on this plane. Reincarnation has nothing to do with actually recycling you. It's simply reuniting with the larger sum.Rather fascinating these days for me to look at, and interesting, because a lot of the old Native American tribes up in my area had a very similiar belief system almost parallel to aspects of Buddhism and Hinduism.
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 13, 2015, 12:59:47 AMLittle bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.I actually dread when people bring this shit up.I think it's because it's impossible to determine if you know enough about philosophy to know when something is stupid/wrong, or if you actually don't know nearly enough to form a valid opinion on it.Is this entire discussion some high level esoteric philosophy, or have we all just made a simple mistake and no one noticed? I can't tell and no one else can either.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 12:21:04 AMActually I sometimes wonder if it's possible to "exist" as a rock.You can't exist as a rock, no.
Actually I sometimes wonder if it's possible to "exist" as a rock.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 13, 2015, 12:23:46 AMQuote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 12:21:04 AMActually I sometimes wonder if it's possible to "exist" as a rock.You can't exist as a rock, no.
Quote from: Cadenza on October 13, 2015, 03:13:20 AMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 13, 2015, 12:59:47 AMLittle bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.I actually dread when people bring this shit up.I think it's because it's impossible to determine if you know enough about philosophy to know when something is stupid/wrong, or if you actually don't know nearly enough to form a valid opinion on it.Is this entire discussion some high level esoteric philosophy, or have we all just made a simple mistake and no one noticed? I can't tell and no one else can either.Well are you gonna go out and learn and come back and educate us or are you saying we should avoid these discussions merely because we're ignorant?
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.