Do you consider transgenderism a mental illness?

Mordo · June 04, 2015, 08:07:29 PM

I really don't know. I think more research is required in the field of transgenderism.

That being said, there's new evidence emerging to suggest that it could indeed, simply be a mental misalignment of sexual identity which requires therapy, not an operating procedure.

But as I said, we still don't fully understand what transgenderism is. I think it's fallacious to just arbitrarily declare it either a "mental illness" or something "natural" that people are born with, like homosexuality.

challengerX · June 05, 2015, 10:07:27 AM

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Mad Max · June 05, 2015, 10:10:58 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 05, 2015, 10:07:27 AM

John Money's experiment proves you wrong.

but you can't fuck around with someone's gender if they aren't transgender.

Sandtrap · June 05, 2015, 10:34:37 AM

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PSU · June 05, 2015, 11:07:28 AM

Yes I do. Sorry bout it

Nick McIntyre · June 05, 2015, 11:32:53 AM

Quote from: PSU on June 05, 2015, 11:07:28 AM

Yes I do. Sorry bout it

Shut up Max.

PSU · June 05, 2015, 11:47:15 AM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on June 05, 2015, 11:32:53 AM

Quote from: PSU on June 05, 2015, 11:07:28 AM
Yes I do. Sorry bout it

Shut up Max.

Lol who even started that?

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 12:02:08 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 05, 2015, 10:07:27 AM

Men are inherently like that.

Considering the existence of exceptions (I never liked sports, despite being competitive in a lot of other areas--like argumentation--but a lot of women are indeed much more competitive than I am when it comes to physical activities), I really don't think so. I think a lot of people are inherently like this. It just so happens that a lot of them are men. And maybe it's because, biologically speaking, it allows men to protect women--maybe that's the reason why men tend to be more competitive. This still does not make the trait inherent to men and men only.

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Nah, I still don't agree with this. John Money's experiment proves you wrong.

You keep citing John Money's case, as if it means anything. One isolated incidence. I'm gonna need, like, five. Ten. Experiments that don't involve castration. Because, John Money's case doesn't prove jackshit (neither for my side OR your side), because the experiment itself was botched. He didn't do it right. Therefore, it can't be used as an example.

Provide me with more, better examples.

Incan · June 05, 2015, 12:10:50 PM

I dunno.

Nick McIntyre · June 05, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

But no, I wouldn't call it a mental illness. I feel that besides a mental issue, it's also a physical issue when it comes to transgenders feeling like they're an opposite sex.

Idk, I just get a bad taste in my mouth when people call this a "mental illness."

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 12:20:57 PM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on June 05, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

But no, I wouldn't call it a mental illness. I feel that besides a mental issue, it's also a physical issue when it comes to transgenders feeling like they're an opposite sex.

Idk, I just get a bad taste in my mouth when people call this a "mental illness."

All it is is acknowledging that it's a problem. A mental illness is a problem.

And it can be solved by making efforts to make the transition. Or, my solution--come to terms with the fact that it's really not a big deal (especially if you live in a community that isn't at all transphobic). Because the transition is a very expensive, long, and faithful sort of journey, accepting the fact that you may never make the full transition--and that that's perfectly okay--might also be the best course of action.

But that would require people to transcend a bit of their humanity, and some people think that's a bad thing, somehow.

Lord Starch · June 05, 2015, 12:32:25 PM

They're born in the wrong body. I don't see how it can't be a mental illness.

Lord Starch · June 05, 2015, 12:33:44 PM

Quote from: PSU on June 05, 2015, 11:47:15 AM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on June 05, 2015, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: PSU on June 05, 2015, 11:07:28 AM
Yes I do. Sorry bout it

Shut up Max.

Lol who even started that?

Probably your weird obsession with him. No shade. No shade.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 01:32:22 PM

I'm just gonna take a second to relish in how much I blew challenger the fuck out in this thread.

>thinks i need sources to prove 2+2 logic
>doesn't

YouTube

BlackEye · June 05, 2015, 02:38:27 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 12:02:08 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 05, 2015, 10:07:27 AM
Men are inherently like that.
Considering the existence of exceptions (I never liked sports, despite being competitive in a lot of other areas--like argumentation--but a lot of women are indeed much more competitive than I am when it comes to physical activities), I really don't think so. I think a lot of people are inherently like this. It just so happens that a lot of them are men. And maybe it's because, biologically speaking, it allows men to protect women--maybe that's the reason why men tend to be more competitive. This still does not make the trait inherent to men and men only.
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Nah, I still don't agree with this. John Money's experiment proves you wrong.
You keep citing John Money's case, as if it means anything. One isolated incidence. I'm gonna need, like, five. Ten. Experiments that don't involve castration. Because, John Money's case doesn't prove jackshit (neither for my side OR your side), because the experiment itself was botched. He didn't do it right. Therefore, it can't be used as an example.

Provide me with more, better examples.

Lol dude I think your lying to yourself if you think you would be okay with having a female body and your a guy now. Maybe for a day but you would probably kill yourself if you had to stay that way for a year or more.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 02:47:38 PM

Quote from: BlackEye on June 05, 2015, 02:38:27 PM

Lol dude I think your lying to yourself if you think you would be okay with having a female body and your a guy now. Maybe for a day but you would probably kill yourself if you had to stay that way for a year or more.

Oh, really? Okay.

Gee, I'm so glad that there's people out there who know how I think better than I do.

Groot · June 05, 2015, 02:57:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 02:47:38 PM

Quote from: BlackEye on June 05, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Lol dude I think your lying to yourself if you think you would be okay with having a female body and your a guy now. Maybe for a day but you would probably kill yourself if you had to stay that way for a year or more.
Oh, really? Okay.

Gee, I'm so glad that there's people out there who know how I think better than I do.

I'm not quite an expert, but wouldn't this be something along the lines of irony?

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 02:59:47 PM

Quote from: Groot on June 05, 2015, 02:57:31 PM

I'm not quite an expert, but wouldn't this be something along the lines of irony?

Not remotely.

I just know how people ought to think. We ought not to make gender into the issue that it is.
I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that.

Groot · June 05, 2015, 03:02:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 02:59:47 PM

Quote from: Groot on June 05, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
I'm not quite an expert, but wouldn't this be something along the lines of irony?
Not remotely.

I just know how people ought to think. We ought not to make gender into the issue that it is.
I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that.

You're one dense motherfucker.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:03:40 PM

Quote from: Groot on June 05, 2015, 03:02:18 PM

You're one dense motherfucker.

Literally how.

"Let's continue pretending gender matters, because having people commit suicide over their dysphoria is so awesome!"
"Let's continue teaching kids to be uncomfortable about their gender identity!"

Is that what you're saying?

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:07:55 PM

Because that would make you REALLY fucking dense. And evil.

Groot · June 05, 2015, 03:15:41 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 03:03:40 PM

Quote from: Groot on June 05, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
You're one dense motherfucker.
"Let's continue teaching kids to be uncomfortable about their gender identity!"

I don't understand this at all. What do you mean by it?

If you mean that society shouldn't look down, shun, fire, abandon, kill, maim, humiliate (etc.) people/kids who want to transition, then I agree. If not, then I have no idea what you're on about.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:18:40 PM

Quote from: Groot on June 05, 2015, 03:15:41 PM

If you mean that society shouldn't look down, shun, fire, abandon, kill, maim, humiliate (etc.) people/kids who want to transition, then I agree.

That's obviously what I fucking mean. And no, clearly you don't agree, because I'm apparently DENSE for believing it. So, fuck you, you fucking flip-flopping cunt. Just because I say it in a more grandiose, anti-human way--"STOP CARING ABOUT GENDER"--doesn't mean my message isn't clear. I'm on your goddamn side, you stupid fuck.

Cheat · June 05, 2015, 03:26:05 PM

Be cool and please withhold insults, people. Let's be civil.

Mad Max · June 05, 2015, 03:33:03 PM

Quote from: Cheat on June 05, 2015, 03:26:05 PM

Be cool and please withhold insults, people. Let's be civil.

Cheat, stop using such hostile language.

challengerX · June 05, 2015, 03:49:21 PM

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Mad Max · June 05, 2015, 03:53:26 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 05, 2015, 03:49:21 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on June 05, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: Cheat on June 05, 2015, 03:26:05 PM
Be cool and please withhold insults, people. Let's be civil.
Cheat, stop using such hostile language.
Still butthurt? LOL

Yes, you were being hostile. Get over and stop spamming my thread with your off topic posts.

Please stop using such hostile language. It hurts my tiny, fragile feelings.

challengerX · June 05, 2015, 04:05:14 PM

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Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 04:06:16 PM

I don't know, Groot was kind of grating on my nerves there.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 04:07:03 PM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on June 05, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

Idk, I just get a bad taste in my mouth when people call this a "mental illness."

That's because there's a lot of discrimination against people with mental illness, and there really shouldn't be. People get ignored and ridiculed just because they're sick. And that's a problem: they're sick, and they need a doctor. People don't need to make it even harder for them.

We really need to step up on our mental healthcare and awareness in general.