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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Deism is much more intellectually respectable than theism when it comes to a cosmological playing field. However, as Laplace said to Napoleon: "I had no need of that hypothesis."


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As an origins hypothesis it essentially solves nothing. Because instead of asking where the universe came from you're forced to ask where the clockmaker came from.

It's simply more epistemically economical not to assume a hypothetical that solves nothing.
Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 04:42:28 PM by SexyPiranha


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Deism is much more intellectually respectable than theism when it comes to a cosmological playing field. However, as Laplace said to Napoleon: "I had no need of that hypothesis."
I thought you were agnostic though?
Well yes.

All agnostics are atheists unless qualified with something else, and all reasonable atheists are agnostics.


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My stupidity is self evident.
As an origins hypothesis it essentially solves nothing. Because instead of asking where the universe came from you're forced to ask where the clockmaker came from.
But if it's supernatural you don't really necessarily have to answer where it came from, considering it's supernatural. Maybe the laws of physics behave differently in a completely void Universe, and maybe that just might mean creating something from nothing.
Of course if it's supernatural the universe could could have sprung from a unicorn fart for all I know. Assuming the supernatural gets us nowhere.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
As an origins hypothesis it essentially solves nothing. Because instead of asking where the universe came from you're forced to ask where the clockmaker came from.
But if it's supernatural you don't really necessarily have to answer where it came from, considering it's supernatural. Maybe the laws of physics behave differently in a completely void Universe, and maybe that just might mean creating something from nothing.
It's still an unnecessary regression.

Especially considered your definition as one of an "act" as opposed to a "thing", which doesn't pre-suppose agency. By this logic, whatever caused the initial inflation of the Universe is God, and that is a definition so diluted of meaning as to be inconsequential.


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What do consider to be 'supernatural'?


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is it really such a radical idea to consider, agnostically, that it's possible that a supernatural act (specifically using the word 'act' instead of 'thing') gave rise to the Universe?
Yes.


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is it really such a radical idea to consider, agnostically, that it's possible that a supernatural act (specifically using the word 'act' instead of 'thing') gave rise to the Universe?
Yes.
It's not radical as much as it is just worthless.