Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 01:58:55 PM

Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 01:55:10 PM

You think if Clinton flops Biden might finally enter the race? Even though he isn't running, he's still garnering 16 percent in the polls.

Biden needs to shit or get off the pot. Either enter, or don't, and it's getting pretty late in the game to decide. At the same time, polling groups need to stop including people who haven't declared their intent to run for President.

Democrats are fucked on the debate schedule, no thanks to the DNC. Missing one debate could likely fuck over any potential candidate.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · October 13, 2015, 02:07:28 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 13, 2015, 01:52:03 PM

so I'm the only one that actually wants to see a civil debate instead of a pseudo WWE Sunday night smackdown?

No, you're not. All the shouting and screaming over each other pisses me off.

Tsirist · October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM

HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM

Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM

HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her

Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency. Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's. Everyone else can talk as much shit as they want, but they don't have the record he has.

His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM

Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

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Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

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His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.

The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 13, 2015, 03:05:19 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · October 13, 2015, 03:07:50 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 13, 2015, 03:05:19 PM

I can definitely say Webb has my vote in the primary unless he botches the debate tonight

As much as I love you for that, I think more people know who Gary Johnson is that Jim Webb.

And nobody knows who Gary Johnson is.

PSU · October 13, 2015, 03:13:16 PM

Can't wait to watch and laugh my ass off.

maverick · October 13, 2015, 03:14:23 PM

I'm hoping it's not a total snooze-fest. I feel like it's going to be incredibly civil and none of the bottom three contenders will stand out enough for there to be anyone to root for.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 03:36:08 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.
The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

Again, great.

Ludicrous, genuine plans are still ludicrous.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 03:41:20 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:36:08 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.
The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

Again, great.

Ludicrous, genuine plans are still ludicrous.

His plans are ludicrous in the sense that he'll be hard-pressed to get them through Congress, but not ludicrous in the sense that they're absurd plans.

Flee · October 13, 2015, 03:52:46 PM

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Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 03:55:02 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 03:41:20 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.
The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

Again, great.

Ludicrous, genuine plans are still ludicrous.
His plans are ludicrous in the sense that he'll be hard-pressed to get them through Congress, but not ludicrous in the sense that they're absurd plans.

Except, even to a liberal like myself, they are absurd and not feasible in the long term.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 03:58:27 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:55:02 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.
The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

Again, great.

Ludicrous, genuine plans are still ludicrous.
His plans are ludicrous in the sense that he'll be hard-pressed to get them through Congress, but not ludicrous in the sense that they're absurd plans.

Except, even to a liberal like myself, they are absurd and not feasible in the long term.

What exactly do you find absurd?

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 05:40:18 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 03:58:27 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Tsirist on October 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM
HOPING FOR THAT SANDERS SMACKDOWN™

no but seriously hillary makes me nervous so unless she makes some good demonstrations tonight i really hope sanders can dramatically outperform her
Sanders trumps [lol] every other candidate when it comes to consistency.

Which'll mean jack shit as President, since he'll be able to do nothing on his agenda.

Quote
Hillary can't exactly lean back and let her record speak for itself. While she was supporting traditional marriage 5-10 years ago, Bernie was fighting for legalizing back in the 70's.

As a gay man, I really could care less.

Quote
His "socialism" is going to be his uphill battle.
The argument I offer about his consistency is to illustrate that his positions are genuine, not what is politically popular. This applies to most of his platform.

Again, great.

Ludicrous, genuine plans are still ludicrous.
His plans are ludicrous in the sense that he'll be hard-pressed to get them through Congress, but not ludicrous in the sense that they're absurd plans.

Except, even to a liberal like myself, they are absurd and not feasible in the long term.
What exactly do you find absurd?

Let's start with the cost. We're talking hundreds of billions, if not trillions, in new government expenses that are economically unfeasible - like it or not, we're living in a time where both sides of our government (Yes, Democrats are responsible for this as well) cannot come together and pass a semi-balanced budget. And before you say "Tax the rich" - you're only going to get so much out of them if you go that route, and at some point, the well will run dry and we will be more fucked than we are now.

Would I love to be able to go to school tuition free, have childcare, free healthcare? Sure, I'm sure everyone would love that. But it is never going to happen, even if Sanders becomes President. He does not have executive power to do so, and we already know that Congress is a shit-show - any executive orders he issues will be thrown to the courts, and if they make it to the Supreme Court, would be likely decimated - this isn't the 1930's, he isn't going to be a new FDR.

Sanders needs to realize this, and realize that his plans are doomed, and his Presidency is doomed to a lame-duck session, unless he makes alterations: Not free college, but work to change federal guidlines on student loaning and make the private industry less dangerous; Not free government childcare, but offer startups to the states to help establish more reliable childcare services in major cities, etc.

Verbatim · October 13, 2015, 06:32:19 PM

Go Bernie.

Verbatim · October 13, 2015, 06:34:59 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 05:40:18 PM

Would I love to be able to go to school tuition free, have childcare, free healthcare? Sure, I'm sure everyone would love that. But it is never going to happen

why live then, tbh

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 07:11:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 06:34:59 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 05:40:18 PM
Would I love to be able to go to school tuition free, have childcare, free healthcare? Sure, I'm sure everyone would love that. But it is never going to happen
why live then, tbh

Just because you aren't getting them for "free" (Or, on the back of taxes and other funding methods) does not mean there are not numerous other ways that can improve the system and lives for millions.

Thun · October 13, 2015, 07:28:26 PM

They better not bring up Trump tonight, I swear to God m8

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 07:29:35 PM

Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 07:28:26 PM

They better not bring up Trump tonight, I swear to God m8

They will, but indirectly - They'll mention him when discussing immigration, but I doubt we'll get "Do you feel Trump is insane?"

Unlike the GOP debate.

Time to start.

Jocephalopod · October 13, 2015, 07:29:39 PM

for some reason i want Joe Biden to come on top.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 07:30:58 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on October 13, 2015, 07:29:39 PM

for some reason i want Joe Biden to come on top.

He's not even in this debate, so your wish has been denied.

Thun · October 13, 2015, 07:33:15 PM

Anderson Cooper as moderator?

Why didn't they go with him for the last one as well? Would have been better than the Trump dick stroker they had.

Jocephalopod · October 13, 2015, 07:33:23 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 07:30:58 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on October 13, 2015, 07:29:39 PM
for some reason i want Joe Biden to come on top.

He's not even in this debate, so your wish has been denied.

he will show

one way or another

he will

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 07:34:00 PM

Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 07:33:15 PM

Anderson Cooper as moderator?

Why didn't they go with him for the last one as well?

RNC might not have wanted him.

Thun · October 13, 2015, 07:35:26 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 07:34:00 PM

Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 07:33:15 PM
Anderson Cooper as moderator?

Why didn't they go with him for the last one as well?

RNC might not have wanted him.

Right, cause he's gay.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 07:36:08 PM

Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 07:35:26 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Quote from: Thunder on October 13, 2015, 07:33:15 PM
Anderson Cooper as moderator?

Why didn't they go with him for the last one as well?

RNC might not have wanted him.
Right, cause he's gay.

Clearly.

Thun · October 13, 2015, 07:38:12 PM

Why is this intro look like a fucking Super Bowl promo? Jesus christ CNN.

maverick · October 13, 2015, 07:39:22 PM

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Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?