Coronavirus panic room thread

It's kinda interesting watching news. Left-wing media are panicking and taking it very seriously but right-wing media says it's just another flu.

YouTube

US has over taken Iran in number of active cases.

The way your health care is set up you guys are in for a wreckoning.

Good luck.

This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon^® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.

well the UK is now on lockdown

Noooo Boris don't lock us down ur so sexy haha x

my state is in lockdown as well

my state is in lockdown as well

I'm surprised the country isn't on a federal lockdown tbh, if that's even possible. Don't really know the ins and outs of US government emergency responses to a crisis like this, but you think it would have happened by now.

You're the third most affected country in the world. New York state alone has higher cases than the entirety of the UK.

Then again, Trump.

The responsibility falls to state governments. Just because New York has numerous cases doesn't mean South Dakota needs to take the same measures New York is. What good would federal meddling do? It would just cause more problems in South Dakota, and I'm speaking as somebody that lives in a big state. I've been saying this for years now: the US federal government is an incompetent bureaucratic mess and people need to stop trying to get things done on a federal level.

I'm surprised the country isn't on a federal lockdown tbh, if that's even possible. Don't really know the ins and outs of US government emergency responses to a crisis like this, but you think it would have happened by now.

You're the third most affected country in the world. New York state alone has higher cases than the entirety of the UK.

Then again, Trump.

The US is so large that its states are like individual countries themselves. New York has been hit very hard by the virus, but here in North Carolina, things are not so serious to warrant a full lock down, fortunately.

Even if you were to exclude Italy entirely, Europe as a whole has been affected more so than the US which is relatively comparable in size. We may have the third highest number of cases right now, but that's spread over a much larger area and population than, say, Spain with the fourth highest number.

The responsibility falls to state governments. Just because New York has numerous cases doesn't mean South Dakota needs to take the same measures New York is. What good would federal meddling do? It would just cause more problems in South Dakota, and I'm speaking as somebody that lives in a big state. I've been saying this for years now: the US federal government is an incompetent bureaucratic mess and people need to stop trying to get things done on a federal level.

I'm surprised the country isn't on a federal lockdown tbh, if that's even possible. Don't really know the ins and outs of US government emergency responses to a crisis like this, but you think it would have happened by now.

You're the third most affected country in the world. New York state alone has higher cases than the entirety of the UK.

Then again, Trump.

What's the point in being a unified country then? What's the point in even having a federal government if not for enacting emergency powers for this very reason?

The "my area isn't affected yet so we don't need to do anything" mentality needs to stop. It's that very mindset which has gotten Europe into the mess it's in right now. Fuck, morons in the UK were treating it like a holiday weekend yesterday, so now the government has had to step in. The containment phase is past the point of no return now. The sooner countries (and states I guess?) start taking this pandemic more seriously the sooner we can resume our lives.

What's the point in being a unified country

ian's political compass in one sentence

Wrong.

The correct single sentence is: "What do you mean it's illegal to sell my children online for drug money?"

ian's political compass in one sentence

I'm not saying that the federal level shouldn't exist, or that it shouldn't be in charge of things. What I'm saying is that people will often ignore their state/local governments when those are perfectly reasonable institutions for such situations. I distinctly remember back in 2012/2013 one guy was going state to state trying to abolish the death penalty via their state governments, made significantly more progress than any federal push on the issue. I live in Florida where we're known for being slapped in the face by hurricanes non-stop, but all those strict building codes, reconstruction, and other forms of aid came from state of Florida, very little actually gets to us in the form of federal assistance.

Also I find it ironic making such a statement on being unified yet Italy and most other European countries are struggling with the virus themselves despite the EU being a thing.

What's the point in being a unified country then? What's the point in even having a federal government if not for enacting emergency powers for this very reason?

The "my area isn't affected yet so we don't need to do anything" mentality needs to stop. It's that very mindset which has gotten Europe into the mess it's in right now. Fuck, morons in the UK were treating it like a holiday weekend yesterday, so now the government has had to step in. The containment phase is past the point of no return now. The sooner countries (and states I guess?) start taking this pandemic more seriously the sooner we can resume our lives.

I'm not saying that the federal level shouldn't exist, or that it shouldn't be in charge of things. What I'm saying is that people will often ignore their state/local governments when those are perfectly reasonable institutions for such situations. I distinctly remember back in 2012/2013 one guy was going state to state trying to abolish the death penalty via their state governments, made significantly more progress than any federal push on the issue. I live in Florida where we're known for being slapped in the face by hurricanes non-stop, but all those strict building codes, reconstruction, and other forms of aid came from state of Florida, very little actually gets to us in the form of federal assistance.

Also I find it ironic making such a statement on being unified yet Italy and most other European countries are struggling with the virus themselves despite the EU being a thing.

What's the point in being a unified country then? What's the point in even having a federal government if not for enacting emergency powers for this very reason?

The "my area isn't affected yet so we don't need to do anything" mentality needs to stop. It's that very mindset which has gotten Europe into the mess it's in right now. Fuck, morons in the UK were treating it like a holiday weekend yesterday, so now the government has had to step in. The containment phase is past the point of no return now. The sooner countries (and states I guess?) start taking this pandemic more seriously the sooner we can resume our lives.

Using hurricanes as a comparison isn't exactly the best example for a contagious virus that isn't restricted by geography or climate.

Bit weird that this contagion is literally on the verge of ripping the arse out of your country and what's concerning you the most is the 'gubberment'.

You brought up emergencies; and my issue isn't the government, it's people not relying on their local/state government.

Using hurricanes as a comparison isn't exactly the best example for a contagious virus that isn't restricted by geography or climate.

Bit weird that this contagion is literally on the verge of ripping the arse out of your country and what's concerning you the most is the 'gubberment'.

You brought up emergencies; and my issue isn't the government, it's people not relying on their local/state government.

Using hurricanes as a comparison isn't exactly the best example for a contagious virus that isn't restricted by geography or climate.

Bit weird that this contagion is literally on the verge of ripping the arse out of your country and what's concerning you the most is the 'gubberment'.

It's an international crisis affecting multiple countries and unions my man. Italy is reporting 500 plus deaths a day. Spain isn't far behind. Given the current trajectory the US is on you guys look to be giving them a run for their money in the coming days. If that doesn't warrant federal/national government intervention instead of state intervention then I'm not sure what does.

Actually I'd just like to mention that South Dakota is pretty worried and taking measures to curb spread in it's urban areas after all of its spring break tourists came back home infected.

I mean, there are measures by the national government, but things like enforcing a lock down or keeping people at home would be difficult for the national government to do.

It's an international crisis affecting multiple countries and unions my man. Italy is reporting 500 plus deaths a day. Spain isn't far behind. Given the current trajectory the US is on you guys look to be giving them a run for their money in the coming days. If that doesn't warrant federal/national government intervention instead of state intervention then I'm not sure what does.

I mean, there are measures by the national government, but things like enforcing a lock down or keeping people at home would be difficult for the national government to do.

It's an international crisis affecting multiple countries and unions my man. Italy is reporting 500 plus deaths a day. Spain isn't far behind. Given the current trajectory the US is on you guys look to be giving them a run for their money in the coming days. If that doesn't warrant federal/national government intervention instead of state intervention then I'm not sure what does.

>biggest, most advanced military in the world
>modernised police force
>difficult to lockdown

Sometimes I think Americans know less about their society than the rest of the world does.

Police force is operated by city and state governments. And the governor of the state deploys the national guard IIRC.

>biggest, most advanced military in the world
>modernised police force
>difficult to lockdown

Sometimes I think Americans know less about their society than the rest of the world does.

Police force is operated by city and state governments. And the governor of the state deploys the national guard IIRC.

>biggest, most advanced military in the world
>modernised police force
>difficult to lockdown

Sometimes I think Americans know less about their society than the rest of the world does.

And federal government can overrule the state in a time of crisis no?

how are libertarians coping with the fact that coronavirus has annihilated their entire ideology

Police force is operated by city and state governments. And the governor of the state deploys the national guard IIRC.

>biggest, most advanced military in the world
>modernised police force
>difficult to lockdown

Sometimes I think Americans know less about their society than the rest of the world does.

And federal government can overrule the state in a time of crisis no?

Bring it on fed bois, finna molon all the labias up in this fucking quarantine
You ain't keeping me away from my big macs

how are libertarians coping with the fact that coronavirus has annihilated their entire ideology

we're actually pretty pleased so far. The young are getting sick but not affected by it and infecting the boomers  which will then open up the slots they were clutching on to so dearly in the job market once the plague runs its course

Theoretically yes, but what difference does it make with the Fed controlling the police force and national guard when the jobs of both are still "Roam the streets and enforce curfews on non-essential workers"?

And federal government can overrule the state in a time of crisis no?

Theoretically yes, but what difference does it make with the Fed controlling the police force and national guard when the jobs of both are still "Roam the streets and enforce curfews on non-essential workers"?

And federal government can overrule the state in a time of crisis no?

Are you seriously trying to argue that the massively funded federal government which is designed to respond to situations like this, with specialised forces and scientists at their disposal, is at all comparable to a state trooper whose 9 to 5 job it is to patrol the highway?

I just don't understand why you're so averse to a rational response to this. COVID-19 doesn't give a fuck about your opinions or political alignments.

I don't understand where this is coming from. You just asked if the Federal government could overrule the state government and take control of the situation, which they can. But what would the federal government do in that situation that they haven't done already and can't already be handled by the state/city government?

Are you seriously trying to argue that the massively funded federal government which is designed to respond to situations like this, with specialised forces and scientists at their disposal, is at all comparable to a state trooper whose 9 to 5 job it is to patrol the highway?

I don't understand where this is coming from. You just asked if the Federal government could overrule the state government and take control of the situation, which they can. But what would the federal government do in that situation that they haven't done already and can't already be handled by the state/city government?

Are you seriously trying to argue that the massively funded federal government which is designed to respond to situations like this, with specialised forces and scientists at their disposal, is at all comparable to a state trooper whose 9 to 5 job it is to patrol the highway?

I swear, you yanks would have literal walkers roaming the streets and you'd still be like "I am a PROUD Trump supporter and I will gladly DIE on the job at Foot Locker if it means the federal government stays out of our lives!"

Federal government = more resources and better equipment to deal with national crises. State government pertains to LOCALISED issues, which is clearly not what you are dealing with here. I'm not even American and even I can grasp that basic concept. Why is this so difficult for you.

Calm down Jesus Christ you’re embarrassing yourself over a simple discussion.

I never said anything about defying the law to go to work, you’re pulling that out of nowhere. Also throwing money at an issue won’t necessarily make it go away. Is this affecting the entire country? Yes. Is the federal government doing something about it? Yes. Should the state/local government do something to help in their respective states? Yes.

This is not a difficult concept. I don’t know what it’s like over there but here the state/local governments can do more for their citizens than just make petty ordinances. The way your arguing about this you’re making it seem like there’s nothing in between a huge national government and a neighborhood advisory board meeting.

At least, that’s how your coming across.

I swear, you yanks would have literal walkers roaming the streets and you'd still be like "I am a PROUD Trump supporter and I will gladly DIE on the job at Foot Locker if it means the federal government stays out of our lives!"

Federal government = more resources and better equipment to deal with national crises. State government pertains to LOCALISED issues, which is clearly not what you are dealing with here. I'm not even American and even I can grasp that basic concept. Why is this so difficult for you.

I can sort of see where Stefan Molyneux and others are coming from but it becomes a problem when China wants to invade you.

Anarchocapitalism or communism are not really an option, so you are stuck with republicans.