Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 10:18:40 PMQuote from: Mega Sceptile on November 13, 2015, 10:17:13 PMtell me why we should bail out people who grabbed a shovel, started digging, and are only just now realizing that they've dug themselves into a hole? In my eyes they deserve it, and need to find a way out themselves. What's your reasonig behind helping someone like that?All they want is an education. Something I consider a birthright.you have the right to a general lized education be living in America.Deciding to specialize in something further is your own choice, and contrary to popular belief, not a requirement for a decent life.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on November 13, 2015, 10:17:13 PMtell me why we should bail out people who grabbed a shovel, started digging, and are only just now realizing that they've dug themselves into a hole? In my eyes they deserve it, and need to find a way out themselves. What's your reasonig behind helping someone like that?All they want is an education. Something I consider a birthright.
tell me why we should bail out people who grabbed a shovel, started digging, and are only just now realizing that they've dug themselves into a hole? In my eyes they deserve it, and need to find a way out themselves. What's your reasonig behind helping someone like that?
You'd still be a terrible person for not wanting your wealth to help future generations get an education.
who the FUCK wants to file for bankruptcy
It IS a necessity in today's job market.
Quote from: Lord Starch on November 13, 2015, 10:02:25 PMThey're not going to accomplish much. Until enough people stop going to college to the point where their profit drops, tuition will still be high.Plus I don't think college should be free, but it definitely should be a lot cheaper. Student debt is a real big problem and it's obvious the system is a little fucked up. I have scholarships and still took out a loan for some semesters so I'll have that lingering over my head. Thank god I'm in stem so I can pay that shit back asap. being in STEM doesnt guarantee a job dude, take it from an aerospace major. Experience, and drive gets jobs, not degrees
They're not going to accomplish much. Until enough people stop going to college to the point where their profit drops, tuition will still be high.Plus I don't think college should be free, but it definitely should be a lot cheaper. Student debt is a real big problem and it's obvious the system is a little fucked up. I have scholarships and still took out a loan for some semesters so I'll have that lingering over my head. Thank god I'm in stem so I can pay that shit back asap.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 08:19:25 PMIt IS a necessity in today's job market.It really, really isn't. The wage premium on a college education indicates that, yes, if you can you should go for it. But why does that justify the appropriation of income from the whole population to pay for the concentrated benefits individuals will enjoy? The positive externalities of higher education are incredibly low; taking money from people to pay for my higher education is immoral.
I think Verb got off on the wrong foot here. In general, ya, 90% of the time, fuck the rich.The real issue here is that education shouldn't have limits placed on it due to monetary issues. Education shouldn't even have monetary limits on it in the first place. It should be free to access for everybody regardless of their wealth.
Quote from: Sandtrap on November 13, 2015, 11:52:04 PMI think Verb got off on the wrong foot here. In general, ya, 90% of the time, fuck the rich.The real issue here is that education shouldn't have limits placed on it due to monetary issues. Education shouldn't even have monetary limits on it in the first place. It should be free to access for everybody regardless of their wealth.Technically, you can educate yourself on anything with the internet and books. You can buy college course materials and watch free lectures online. The only thing you really miss out on is networking, a guiding hand, and a piece of paper certification.
Quote from: Sly Instinct on November 14, 2015, 08:05:30 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on November 13, 2015, 11:52:04 PMI think Verb got off on the wrong foot here. In general, ya, 90% of the time, fuck the rich.The real issue here is that education shouldn't have limits placed on it due to monetary issues. Education shouldn't even have monetary limits on it in the first place. It should be free to access for everybody regardless of their wealth.Technically, you can educate yourself on anything with the internet and books. You can buy college course materials and watch free lectures online. The only thing you really miss out on is networking, a guiding hand, and a piece of paper certification.You mean the most important things?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 02:58:36 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 08:19:25 PMIt IS a necessity in today's job market.It really, really isn't. The wage premium on a college education indicates that, yes, if you can you should go for it. But why does that justify the appropriation of income from the whole population to pay for the concentrated benefits individuals will enjoy? The positive externalities of higher education are incredibly low; taking money from people to pay for my higher education is immoral.This logic can basically be applied to anything resembling socialism.
Quote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 07:05:33 AMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 02:58:36 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 08:19:25 PMIt IS a necessity in today's job market.It really, really isn't. The wage premium on a college education indicates that, yes, if you can you should go for it. But why does that justify the appropriation of income from the whole population to pay for the concentrated benefits individuals will enjoy? The positive externalities of higher education are incredibly low; taking money from people to pay for my higher education is immoral.This logic can basically be applied to anything resembling socialism.Not really. . . The positive externalities of basic science research are incredibly high, which justifies government funding. It's a practical question, not an ideological one.
Uh, when did we go from college tuition to funding scientific research?
Quote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:32:02 PMUh, when did we go from college tuition to funding scientific research? I said the society-wide benefits of higher education don't justify its funding through a general tax.
But this statement isn't inherently true.
Quote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:39:57 PMBut this statement isn't inherently true.It's an empirical conclusion; I can show you the research, if you want.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 09:43:04 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:39:57 PMBut this statement isn't inherently true.It's an empirical conclusion; I can show you the research, if you want.Eh, I'm always prepared to be proven wrong. I'm interested now.
Quote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:43:48 PMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 09:43:04 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:39:57 PMBut this statement isn't inherently true.It's an empirical conclusion; I can show you the research, if you want.Eh, I'm always prepared to be proven wrong. I'm interested now.NBER
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 09:51:37 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:43:48 PMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 09:43:04 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on November 14, 2015, 09:39:57 PMBut this statement isn't inherently true.It's an empirical conclusion; I can show you the research, if you want.Eh, I'm always prepared to be proven wrong. I'm interested now.NBERHow does this support the conclusion that social benefits of higher education isn't justified by tax funding? All this study concludes is that there is a tangible, positive effect from increasing the supply of college-educated workers.
Quote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 14, 2015, 09:59:53 PMHow does this support the conclusion that social benefits of higher education isn't justified by tax funding? All this study concludes is that there is a tangible, positive effect from increasing the supply of college-educated workers."A percentage point increase in the supply of college graduates raises high school drop-outs' wages by1.9%, high school graduates' wages by 1.6%, and college graduates wages by 0.4%."Those social benefits are incredibly small.
How does this support the conclusion that social benefits of higher education isn't justified by tax funding? All this study concludes is that there is a tangible, positive effect from increasing the supply of college-educated workers.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 10:01:49 PMQuote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 14, 2015, 09:59:53 PMHow does this support the conclusion that social benefits of higher education isn't justified by tax funding? All this study concludes is that there is a tangible, positive effect from increasing the supply of college-educated workers."A percentage point increase in the supply of college graduates raises high school drop-outs' wages by1.9%, high school graduates' wages by 1.6%, and college graduates wages by 0.4%."Those social benefits are incredibly small.While I generally agree, you can't call that an empirical conclusion. It's just your subjective interpretation.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 04:18:39 PMwho the FUCK wants to file for bankruptcyPeople who can't pay their debts, perhaps? Filing for bankruptcy allows individuals to either have their debt discharged or restructured, which is usually better than having a fucking huge debt burden lingering unchanged over your head regardless of your finances.
welcome back by the way
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on November 14, 2015, 10:35:13 PMDidn't know my absence had been noted. I've had a bunch of exams and assignments recently, and I have a fucking statistics exam Monday evening.People thought you killed yourself lol
Didn't know my absence had been noted. I've had a bunch of exams and assignments recently, and I have a fucking statistics exam Monday evening.
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