Follow the British model, limit how much universities can charge so the prices aren't extortionate and make it easier to pay it back.

Why limit them? Its a choice, if people are willing to pay 60k a year to go to NYU, then let them.

You could easily go to a CC for 4k a year or just not go to college at all.

Quote from: PSU on November 13, 2015, 04:51:51 PM

Quote from: gatsby on November 13, 2015, 03:53:56 PM

Follow the British model, limit how much universities can charge so the prices aren't extortionate and make it easier to pay it back.

Why limit them? Its a choice, if people are willing to pay 60k a year to go to NYU, then let them.

You could easily go to a CC for 4k a year or just not go to college at all.

Well by letting universities charge what they want they essentially become an option only for the rich.

All you have to do is take out loans and be smart about it.

For example, even with partial scholarships (which covered most of my college), I still owe about 25k in student loans. Personally, it was completely worth it.

Quote from: PSU on November 13, 2015, 01:52:50 PM

Is that bad? Should children be punished because their parents were successful?

Not receiving your parents' wealth after they die isn't punishment.

It just means you should have to earn it just like everybody else.

Then why hand out money to people that didn't earn it so they can buy things?

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 13, 2015, 07:13:28 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 01:53:55 PM

Quote from: PSU on November 13, 2015, 01:52:50 PM

Is that bad? Should children be punished because their parents were successful?

Not receiving your parents' wealth after they die isn't punishment.

It just means you should have to earn it just like everybody else.

Then why hand out money to people that didn't earn it so they can buy things?

Not so they can buy things--so they can get an education without having to worry about being in crippling debt.

Yeah, they have to buy that though. Secondary education isn't free and it isn't a necessity.

When anyone can get a loan for school, what incentive does the school have not to charge as much as they want?  They get the money no matter what, because the government doesn't run out of money.

Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 07:45:26 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 13, 2015, 07:13:28 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 01:53:55 PM

Quote from: PSU on November 13, 2015, 01:52:50 PM

Is that bad? Should children be punished because their parents were successful?

Not receiving your parents' wealth after they die isn't punishment.

It just means you should have to earn it just like everybody else.

Then why hand out money to people that didn't earn it so they can buy things?

Not so they can buy things--so they can get an education without having to worry about being in crippling debt.

Yeah, they have to buy that though. Secondary education isn't free and it isn't a necessity.

They shouldn't have to buy an education. Everyone has the right to an education.

It IS a necessity in today's job market.

But it's totally not. You can still go to a craft school. There are plenty of jobs that don't require degrees.

What the hell is a "craft school"?

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 13, 2015, 08:20:25 PM

But it's totally not. You can still go to a craft school. There are plenty of jobs that don't require degrees.

What the hell is a "craft school"?

Whatever it's called then, a school that teaches a craft or trade(welding, machining, etc.). Might not be the correct term, but I thought it would be clear what I meant.

Money that students seeking an education should not be obliged to spend.

You can argue and believe it's a right that man should have, but the reality is that it costs money to get a secondary education and degree, and it's not a necessity. You can have people pay for that investment on their own, or you can coerce others to pay it for them. Were it something that people needed to get forward in life, I might agree.

You want to know how to REALLY solve the debt problem? Its simple, work your ass off for it. I got through with 40k of debt from university, and only a single degree in a surprisingly tough market to break into to show for it, and yet here I am with my debt paid off completely, and a nice house to boot. I got there through hard work and determination to succeed, not by relying on handouts from other people, or by complaining about how my degree didnt get me as far as I thought. I sucked it up and tried my hardest to get into a field I enjoyed and had the potential to go further in.

They're not going to accomplish much. Until enough people stop going to college to the point where their profit drops, tuition will still be high.
Plus I don't think college should be free, but it definitely should be a lot cheaper. Student debt is a real big problem and it's obvious the system is a little fucked up. I have scholarships and still took out a loan for some semesters so I'll have that lingering over my head. Thank god I'm in stem so I can pay that shit back asap.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 13, 2015, 07:13:28 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 13, 2015, 01:53:55 PM

Quote from: PSU on November 13, 2015, 01:52:50 PM

Is that bad? Should children be punished because their parents were successful?

Not receiving your parents' wealth after they die isn't punishment.

It just means you should have to earn it just like everybody else.

Then why hand out money to people that didn't earn it so they can buy things?

Not so they can buy things--so they can get an education without having to worry about being in crippling debt.

I have a great education and job experience... No debt at all.

Suck a fucking cock, liberal kikes

I have a great education and job experience... No debt at all.

Suck a fucking cock, liberal kikes

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

if you had a great education, you wouldn't be a libertarian :^)

they shouldn't HAVE to go out and get themselves into 60k of debt either, maybe if they weren't fucking idiots and got a trade job, or something that can be achieved through college and build UP to having the experience and skill in their desired profession before fast tracking straight to university with zero experience in the working world, they wouldnt have the problem of debt, would they?

Yes they would. Most people who are in debt know that they have to pay it off somehow.
In fact, everyone with a functioning brain knows that.

That doesn't change the fact that they still have debt to pay off in the first place.

this post was four lines of nothing

Quote from: DAS B(⌐■_■)ﾒ on November 13, 2015, 10:09:53 PM

I have a great education and job experience... No debt at all.

Suck a fucking cock, liberal kikes

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

if you had a great education, you wouldn't be a libertarian :^)

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on November 13, 2015, 10:07:19 PM

they shouldn't HAVE to go out and get themselves into 60k of debt either, maybe if they weren't fucking idiots and got a trade job, or something that can be achieved through college and build UP to having the experience and skill in their desired profession before fast tracking straight to university with zero experience in the working world, they wouldnt have the problem of debt, would they?

Yes they would. Most people who are in debt know that they have to pay it off somehow.
In fact, everyone with a functioning brain knows that.

this post was four lines of nothing

tell me why we should bail out people who grabbed a shovel, started digging, and are only just now realizing that they've dug themselves into a hole? In my eyes they deserve it, and need to find a way out themselves. What's your reasonig behind helping someone like that?

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on November 13, 2015, 10:17:13 PM

tell me why we should bail out people who grabbed a shovel, started digging, and are only just now realizing that they've dug themselves into a hole? In my eyes they deserve it, and need to find a way out themselves. What's your reasonig behind helping someone like that?

All they want is an education. Something I consider a birthright.

you have the right to a generalized education by living in America.
Deciding to specialize in something further is your own choice, and contrary to popular belief, not a requirement for a decent life.